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« Reply #580 on: September 07, 2020, 07:37:43 PM »
Maybe the swedish model really was better...
Aren't the elderly required to isolate in that model?

LTC have a catch-22, either their patients die of covid (or complications due to covid) or die because of the isolation. Really no win.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #581 on: September 07, 2020, 07:53:40 PM »
Aren't the elderly required to isolate in that model?

LTC have a catch-22, either their patients die of covid (or complications due to covid) or die because of the isolation. Really no win.
You keep them isolated for a month or 2 while covid runs rampant amongst the general population until you reach herd immunity.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #582 on: September 07, 2020, 07:54:31 PM »
A close friend of mine has symptoms, Dr. Shanik and Dr. Schoner both told him it sounds like COVID and he should test. Waiting for results.

A friend’s brother tested positive today, he is quite sick though not in the hospital.

A floor at Apex is working form home for the next couple of weeks after someone there tested positive.


ETA I should add: Neither of the two friends have attended any simchos recently, and have no idea where they would have picked it up.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #583 on: September 07, 2020, 07:55:24 PM »
Maybe the swedish model really was better...
You say this like it’s a new opinion of yours. Didn’t you believe this all along?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #584 on: September 07, 2020, 07:58:52 PM »
You say this like it’s a new opinion of yours. Didn’t you believe this all along?
Why would that be relevant?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #585 on: September 07, 2020, 08:01:27 PM »
Why would that be relevant?
Just pointing out that you always believed that
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #586 on: September 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM »
Just pointing out that you always believed that
That's not what I said and it's not true. Now again, why would this be relevant? Or are you just pushing back at anything that goes against your bias?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #587 on: September 07, 2020, 08:14:58 PM »
Aren't the elderly required to isolate in that model?

LTC have a catch-22, either their patients die of covid (or complications due to covid) or die because of the isolation. Really no win.
There is talk of reuniting the elderly with their families for the holidays there but I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #588 on: September 07, 2020, 08:16:48 PM »
That's not what I said and it's not true. Now again, why would this be relevant? Or are you just pushing back at anything that goes against your bias?
You have gone on the record in the past as believing the Swedish model was a better way. Now you are repeating that. That’s ok, but I’m just clarifying this is not a new position based on the information that was just posted.

What is my bias? That the Swedish model was *not* better? Are you less biased than me in believing that it is?

Maybe the swedish model really was better...
I thought this post suggested you were considering this information and formulating a new opinion.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #589 on: September 07, 2020, 08:27:18 PM »
There is talk of reuniting the elderly with their families for the holidays there but I’ll believe it when I see it.
Generally speaking, there's a reason they're in a nursing home.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #590 on: September 07, 2020, 08:28:51 PM »
Just pointing out that you always believed that
You have gone on the record in the past as believing the Swedish model was a better way. Now you are repeating that. That’s ok, but I’m just clarifying this is not a new position based on the information that was just posted.

What is my bias? That the Swedish model was *not* better? Are you less biased than me in believing that it is?
I thought this post suggested you were considering this information and formulating a new opinion.
There's a huge difference between the 2 things you said.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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« Reply #591 on: September 07, 2020, 09:46:31 PM »
16 new cases via OCHD.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #592 on: September 07, 2020, 09:50:08 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1898809/a-gap-between-public-medical-staff-perception-of-covid-19-senior-medical-official-says.html

"According to Galanta, the public believes that the coronavirus is only dangerous to the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions but aren’t aware that “pre-existing conditions” could be as simple as a beer belly."

“There is apparently a lack of understanding of this disease,” she stressed. “There are young people aged in their 30s and 40s in serious condition, critical. They are on ventilators. It’s no longer 80-year-olds with four underlying health conditions and terminal cancer. It’s young people. People don’t understand this and they are inviting 1,000 people to weddings.”

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #593 on: September 07, 2020, 10:33:16 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1898809/a-gap-between-public-medical-staff-perception-of-covid-19-senior-medical-official-says.html

"According to Galanta, the public believes that the coronavirus is only dangerous to the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions but aren’t aware that “pre-existing conditions” could be as simple as a beer belly."

“There is apparently a lack of understanding of this disease,” she stressed. “There are young people aged in their 30s and 40s in serious condition, critical. They are on ventilators. It’s no longer 80-year-olds with four underlying health conditions and terminal cancer. It’s young people. People don’t understand this and they are inviting 1,000 people to weddings.”

People understand more than the doctors give them credit for. There certainly is what to be said for caring for more than just ones own well-being, but on a personal level most younger people are correctly judging their personal risk to be minuscule.

The thousands of college students who are partying are correcting calculating that their risk of dropping dead from binge drinking and drugging up at the sorority party is far greater than dropping dead from covid. Out of over 2000 U of Alabama students who contracted covid there were zero hospitalizations.

Even those in their 30s and 40s on vents represent a tiny fraction of those seriously ill. It is far more reasonable to tell a 30 year old to be careful because he ought to worry about the 80 year olds who are high risk than to warn him that he may end up on a vent.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #594 on: September 07, 2020, 10:42:59 PM »
People understand more than the doctors give them credit for. There certainly is what to be said for caring for more than just ones own well-being, but on a personal level most younger people are correctly judging their personal risk to be minuscule.

The thousands of college students who are partying are correcting calculating that their risk of dropping dead from binge drinking and drugging up at the sorority party is far greater than dropping dead from covid. Out of over 2000 U of Alabama students who contracted covid there were zero hospitalizations.

Even those in their 30s and 40s on vents represent a tiny fraction of those seriously ill. It is far more reasonable to tell a 30 year old to be careful because he ought to worry about the 80 year olds who are high risk than to warn him that he may end up on a vent.
I think the point OP is making is that people tend to forget that what they have would be labeled a pre-existing condition. While most college students are well below 30, it’s no surprise to anyone following that there are many many people in their 30s and 40s being hospitalized.

Obesity and diabetes are massive co-morbidities, and are massively prevalent in the 30-50 demographic in the frum yeshivish communities.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #595 on: September 07, 2020, 10:43:45 PM »
My next door neighbor has corona, and the guy 4 doors down, and the lady around the corner. It's back.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #596 on: September 07, 2020, 10:46:35 PM »
My next door neighbor has corona, and the guy 4 doors down, and the lady around the corner. It's back.
and my ex chavrusah his wife and her family .. Its here.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #597 on: September 07, 2020, 10:48:18 PM »
and my ex chavrusah his wife and her family .. Its here.
It never went anywhere.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #598 on: September 07, 2020, 10:50:07 PM »
It never went anywhere.
It was almost non existent since Shavuos.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #599 on: September 07, 2020, 10:50:25 PM »
It never went anywhere.
and my ex chavrusah his wife and her family .. Its here.

My point exactly!