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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #620 on: September 08, 2020, 08:29:08 AM »
There's another path that it seems the community leaders would like us to take: the underground swedish strategy.

Let it rip through town while keeping it under the radar of authorities. Keep testing to a minimum, don't report positive tests, don't publish any public statements etc.
I'm sure nobody is going to figure that one out.

If there was aivah back in March when the vast majority kept to guidelines what will it be when such a plan gets out?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #621 on: September 08, 2020, 08:31:35 AM »
I'm sure nobody is going to figure that one out.

If there was aivah back in March when the vast majority kept to guidelines what will it be when such a plan gets out?
Nobody cares. It's clear that the first time around, people were just paying lip service in an effort to go back to 'normal' ASAP, consequences be dammed.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #622 on: September 08, 2020, 08:37:23 AM »
My SIL started getting symptoms Friday, confirmed positive yesterday

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #623 on: September 08, 2020, 10:20:24 AM »
I'm curious about this as it was widely speculated that Lakewood had herd immunity from Shavous on. So thst could lead to a few possible conclusions:

1. The virus burned out and it was temporary, likely because the measures taken around Pesach were enough to slow the spread back down.

2. A smaller percentage of the population was exposed vs. what was thought

3. People aren't afforded protection simply from antibodies if they weren't ever sick.

4. As predicted, antibodies wane around 6 months, which is about where we are I nthe cycle

5. The lack of social distancing got worse over the past few weeks, accelerated by the peak wedding season post Tisha B'Av, as well as returns from camps and other vacation spots.

That there were a few isolated super spreader events, and things are otherwise are under control doesn't seem to hold water. Depending on which of these 5 conclusions are correct would shape how things should be modified moving forward and especially during the Chagim.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #624 on: September 08, 2020, 10:26:44 AM »
I'm curious about this as it was widely speculated that Lakewood had herd immunity from Shavous on. So thst could lead to a few possible conclusions:

1. The virus burned out and it was temporary, likely because the measures taken around Pesach were enough to slow the spread back down.

2. A smaller percentage of the population was exposed vs. what was thought

3. People aren't afforded protection simply from antibodies if they weren't ever sick.

4. As predicted, antibodies wane around 6 months, which is about where we are I nthe cycle

5. The lack of social distancing got worse over the past few weeks, accelerated by the peak wedding season post Tisha B'Av, as well as returns from camps and other vacation spots.

That there were a few isolated super spreader events, and things are otherwise are under control doesn't seem to hold water. Depending on which of these 5 conclusions are correct would shape how things should be modified moving forward and especially during the Chagim.

1. Probably. Or, most people got it.

2.  Disagree. In my house alone, we had at least 10 people that had the virus and never tested.

3.  I don't know know anyone that tested positive for antibodies and then got the virus

4.  See number 3

5. Correct


I know a handful of people that never got the virus in March and recently tested positive. They had symptoms, but nothing close to what we all had in March and only lasted a few days.
I don't understand the hysteria. It's clearly not the same.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #625 on: September 08, 2020, 10:27:49 AM »
I'm not sure whats so complicated, people are not getting it twice and it's really sad that people here keep pushing for reinfection just like they were pushing for more infections. Lots of people stayed home for months, now they're out and about and getting it for the first time. Really not such a complicated phenomenon. Is the right thing to do push restrictions on the masses because of the ones who can it get it now? Maybe, but realistically most likely not going to happen.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #626 on: September 08, 2020, 10:30:06 AM »
So what are those who never had the virus supposed to do? Wait at home until there's a vaccine? There needs to be some kind of answer for them.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #627 on: September 08, 2020, 10:31:54 AM »
So what are those who never had the virus supposed to do? Wait at home until there's a vaccine? There needs to be some kind of answer for them.
Wear a mask and don't go to packed weddings? That might be a start

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #628 on: September 08, 2020, 10:33:28 AM »
Wear a mask and don't go to packed weddings? That might be a start
And not send their kids to school?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #629 on: September 08, 2020, 10:41:17 AM »
Wear a mask and don't go to packed weddings? That might be a start
The ones I know are doing that already, but it's not the answer to everything.
For example:
And not send their kids to school?
And don't go to work?

I'm not pushing any agenda here, I'm just asking an honest question.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #630 on: September 08, 2020, 10:48:05 AM »
I'm not sure whats so complicated, people are not getting it twice and it's really sad that people here keep pushing for reinfection just like they were pushing for more infections. Lots of people stayed home for months, now they're out and about and getting it for the first time. Really not such a complicated phenomenon. Is the right thing to do push restrictions on the masses because of the ones who can it get it now? Maybe, but realistically most likely not going to happen.
I'm asking about antibodies, not people getting it twice. Those might be, but aren't necessarily, the same thing.

It's also possible that people have antibodies and are able to spread it to others, but they themsevles feel fine. Basically a other flavor of asymptomatic transmission.

If the scientific community is still undecided on antibodies/herd immunity, not sure why the Lakewood frum community gets to be the arbitrator on this.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #631 on: September 08, 2020, 10:52:30 AM »
So what are those who never had the virus supposed to do? Wait at home until there's a vaccine? There needs to be some kind of answer for them.
It depends what the goal is. If it is to be certain not to get it thenyou will need to send children to OOT schools or the like which are makpid on this. If it is to mitigate risks then
Wear a mask and don't go to packed weddings
And the like.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #632 on: September 08, 2020, 10:59:40 AM »


It's also possible that people have antibodies and are able to spread it to others, but they themsevles feel fine. Basically a other flavor of asymptomatic transmission.

Umm, citation? Source? Anyone that says or suggests this?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #633 on: September 08, 2020, 11:02:20 AM »
Umm, citation? Source? Anyone that says or suggests this?
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Regardless of whether you test positive or negative, the results do not confirm whether you are able to spread the virus that causes COVID-19. Until we know more, continue to take steps to protect yourself and others.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html#:~:text=We%20do%20not%20know%20yet,first%20test%20was%20accurate.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #634 on: September 08, 2020, 11:10:26 AM »
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html#:~:text=We%20do%20not%20know%20yet,first%20test%20was%20accurate.
That’s very different then the way you said it. Have you heard any doctor suggest that?
CDC guidelines are not a proof of anything since they are only based on scientific certainty.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #635 on: September 08, 2020, 11:15:13 AM »
That’s very different then the way you said it. Have you heard any doctor suggest that?
CDC guidelines are not a proof of anything since they are only based on scientific certainty.
That's my point - scientists can't definitively say anything about antibodies. There's simply not enough data.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #636 on: September 08, 2020, 12:00:27 PM »
That's my point - scientists can't definitively say anything about antibodies. There's simply not enough data.
In general you can not get a virus twice, so why do you choose to believe that with covid you can? If that's not an agenda idk what is.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #637 on: September 08, 2020, 12:07:18 PM »
In general you can not get a virus twice, so why do you choose to believe that with covid you can? If that's not an agenda idk what is.
Having antibodies does not mean someone had covid.

Also, that claim isn't even true. People get H1N1 flu viruses all the time. Same thing with the common cold. You have some amount of protection from some strains, for a finite period of time.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #638 on: September 08, 2020, 12:10:23 PM »


Having antibodies does not mean someone had covid.


Um, that's exactly what it means.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #639 on: September 08, 2020, 12:13:29 PM »
In general you can not get a virus twice, so why do you choose to believe that with covid you can? If that's not an agenda idk what is.

From what I understand this is not true for most coronaviruses for which immunity lasts about 6 months. Thankfully most cause nothing more that a cold.
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