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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #680 on: September 08, 2020, 08:35:10 PM »
Let’s put things in context. We are not that far from flu season. In an average flu season in NJ there can be over 30,000 hospitalizations (including thousands of young people) and well over a thousand deaths. Covid in March greatly exceeded these numbers and had a somewhat larger proportion of the mortalities amount younger people than the flu. Right now that does not appear to be the case. A few Hatzalah calls is not a pandemic. Even a modest increase in infections and hospitalizations would not be a reason the go into panic mode.


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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #681 on: September 08, 2020, 08:41:55 PM »
Let’s put things in context. We are not that far from flu season. In an average flu season in NJ there can be over 30,000 hospitalizations (including thousands of young people) and well over a thousand deaths. Covid in March greatly exceeded these numbers and had a somewhat larger proportion of the mortalities amount younger people than the flu. Right now that does not appear to be the case. A few Hatzalah calls is not a pandemic. Even a modest increase in infections and hospitalizations would not be a reason the go into panic mode.
What you fail to understand is that if you wait till the numbers are out of control you are too late. Actions need to be taken before it gets out of control not after. Did we not learn anything from March/April?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #682 on: September 08, 2020, 08:54:56 PM »
Let’s put things in context. We are not that far from flu season. In an average flu season in NJ there can be over 30,000 hospitalizations (including thousands of young people) and well over a thousand deaths. Covid in March greatly exceeded these numbers and had a somewhat larger proportion of the mortalities amount younger people than the flu. Right now that does not appear to be the case. A few Hatzalah calls is not a pandemic. Even a modest increase in infections and hospitalizations would not be a reason the go into panic mode.

Do you have a source for the NJ flu numbers?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #683 on: September 08, 2020, 09:01:18 PM »
Even a modest increase in infections and hospitalizations would not be a reason the go into panic mode.
Yet again someone equivalating relatively minor precautions to panic mode. Nuance, people, nuance.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #684 on: September 08, 2020, 09:17:23 PM »
Do you have a source for the NJ flu numbers?



NJ currently has around 400 covid hospitalizations

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #685 on: September 08, 2020, 09:20:18 PM »


NJ currently has around 400 covid hospitalizations
I hope you understand that impatient and ER visits are different things.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #686 on: September 08, 2020, 09:23:05 PM »


NJ currently has around 400 covid hospitalizations

Just to clarify, the 30k is ER visits, not people admitted. There are only 3000 annual hospitalizations for the flu per year in NJ. Is there a source for the 1000 deaths?

ETA: 400 current Covid hospitalizations represents 13% of all annual flu hospitalizations. And we're nowhere close to a peak. We're just at the very beginning of a second wave. I'd say that's pretty significant.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #687 on: September 08, 2020, 09:31:01 PM »
I tested positive today, but never had it before

R"S! Hope this goes quickly for you.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #688 on: September 08, 2020, 09:44:41 PM »
It's amazing how many people don't grasp basic math and science here.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #689 on: September 08, 2020, 10:03:43 PM »
Just to clarify, the 30k is ER visits, not people admitted. There are only 3000 annual hospitalizations for the flu per year in NJ. Is there a source for the 1000 deaths?
https://www-doh.state.nj.us/doh-shad/indicator/view/PneuFluDeath.Trend.html

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #690 on: September 08, 2020, 10:06:38 PM »
https://www-doh.state.nj.us/doh-shad/indicator/view/PneuFluDeath.Trend.html

That's a total for flu and pneumonia combined. Considering how prevalent it is to see pneumonia on a death certificate as either the primary or secondary cause of death, especially with elderly people, that doesn't leave much for the flu. I believe @S209 had some interesting articles posted a while back about the CDC's numbers on flu+pneumonia deaths.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #691 on: September 08, 2020, 10:16:25 PM »
That's a total for flu and pneumonia combined. Considering how prevalent it is to see pneumonia on a death certificate as either the primary or secondary cause of death, especially with elderly people, that doesn't leave much for the flu. I believe @S209 had some interesting articles posted a while back about the CDC's numbers on flu+pneumonia deaths.
They are counted together because they are usually in lockstep with one another during flu season and usually coexist. A huge chunk of covid deaths were “pneumonia”.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #692 on: September 08, 2020, 10:19:27 PM »
Let’s put things in context. We are not that far from flu season. In an average flu season in NJ there can be over 3,000 hospitalizations (including thousands of young people) and well over a thousand deaths. Covid in March greatly exceeded these numbers and had a somewhat larger proportion of the mortalities amount younger people than the flu. Right now that does not appear to be the case. A few Hatzalah calls is not a pandemic. Even a modest increase in infections and hospitalizations would not be a reason the go into panic mode.

FTFY

Once we're putting things into context, there were over 16,000 confirmed deaths from COVID in half a year, which on a annualized basis would mean 10x more people died from covid than the total flu hospitalizations in a regular year. All this despite social distancing the last 4 months which would bring flu hospitalization numbers to record lows.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #693 on: September 08, 2020, 10:19:39 PM »
Just to clarify, the 30k is ER visits, not people admitted. There are only 3000 annual hospitalizations for the flu per year in NJ.

ETA: 400 current Covid hospitalizations represents 13% of all annual flu hospitalizations. And we're nowhere close to a peak. We're just at the very beginning of a second wave. I'd say that's pretty significant.
Fair enough. How many recent ER transports has Hatzolah done? How many recent ER covid visits have there been? Still insignificant.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #694 on: September 08, 2020, 10:21:02 PM »
Fair enough. How many recent ER transports has Hatzolah done? How many recent ER covid visits have there been? Still insignificant.

Not to start rumors but I heard more sirens tonight then I have in the last 5 months. I really hope it's coincidental.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #695 on: September 08, 2020, 10:21:20 PM »
FTFY

Once we're putting things into context, there were over 16,000 confirmed deaths from COVID in half a year, which on a annualized basis would mean 10x more people died from covid than the total flu hospitalizations in a regular year. All this despite social distancing the last 4 months which would bring flu hospitalization numbers to record lows.
No one is disputing that covid was far deadlier than flu in March. The question is are we blowing things out of proportion now?

All this despite social distancing the last 4 months which would bring flu hospitalization numbers to record lows.
Flu season is in the winter.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #696 on: September 08, 2020, 10:22:55 PM »
Not to start rumors but I heard more sirens tonight then I have in the last 5 months. I really hope it's coincidental.
It's not.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #697 on: September 08, 2020, 10:26:07 PM »
No one is disputing that covid was far deadlier than flu in March. The question is are we blowing things out of proportion now?

Who is we?
Jewish community is under reacting, everyone else is over reacting.
And yes there is plenty of reasonable compromises between the 2 paths.

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COVID is all year long.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #699 on: September 08, 2020, 10:51:58 PM »
Care to elaborate?
Hatzolah has been averaging multiple Covid calls a day for the past week to 10 days. And it's getting worse.