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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #720 on: September 09, 2020, 01:48:08 AM »
The last 100 years during previous pandemics the reaction was not to shut down the entire country. Indeed, the game plan in March had one goal: flatten the curve. Stop the healthcare system from being overwhelmed.

If the goal is to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and let covid run it’s course then you take action only when there is an imminent threat of the system being overwhelmed.

If your game plan is to hold off until a vaccine hopefully saves the world then you can try what England and Israel are doing. Even so the current situation does not look to be as alarming as some are making it out to be.
We are talking about minimal measures to be taken in Lakewood to prevent people in Lakewood from dying. Is that still over your head? Nothing about overwhelming systems, previous pandemics, or shutting down countries. See?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #721 on: September 09, 2020, 01:58:29 AM »
They are counted together because they are usually in lockstep with one another during flu season and usually coexist. A huge chunk of covid deaths were “pneumonia”.
You do realize the website explicitly states at the top of the page
https://www-doh.state.nj.us/doh-shad/indicator/view/PneuFluDeath.Trend.html
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(Influenza and pneumonia are combined for ranking as a leading cause of death, however the majority of those deaths are due to pneumonia.)
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #722 on: September 09, 2020, 08:41:33 AM »
We are talking about minimal measures to be taken in Lakewood to prevent people in Lakewood from dying. Is that still over your head? Nothing about overwhelming systems, previous pandemics, or shutting down countries. See?

Weddings are over in two days for the next month so it is essentially a moot point.

The mask-wearing is not as benign as you make it out to be.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #723 on: September 09, 2020, 08:48:36 AM »
Weddings are over in two days for the next month so it is essentially a moot point.

The mask-wearing is not as benign as you make it out to be.
How so? I've worn a mask in public for 5 months, as have millions of people.

Also, Yom Tov could make weddings look like nothing. At least Sukkos comes complete with outdoor dining.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #724 on: September 09, 2020, 08:52:34 AM »
Simchas torah has purim potential.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #725 on: September 09, 2020, 09:08:22 AM »
Simchas torah has purim potential.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, we have 4 weeks until then. Enough people will get sick before then to diminish any real potential.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #726 on: September 09, 2020, 09:10:18 AM »
We are not there right now. What do we do if things do get worse? IDK. Maybe it’s time to just ride it out. That’s what was done for the last hundred years until 2020. England is banning more than 6 people indoors due to resurgence. Again. Israel Is locking down due to resurgence. Again. Maybe it’s better to ride it out with some restrictions as needed in places where there is an immediate risk of overwhelming the system. Wasn’t that the original game plan?
This strategy sounds similar to yours. 




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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #727 on: September 09, 2020, 09:38:47 AM »
Simchas torah has purim potential.
I think rosh Hashanah does. Singing and shofar blowing in confined spaces without mask wearing for many hours.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #728 on: September 09, 2020, 09:47:08 AM »
I think rosh Hashanah does. Singing and shofar blowing in confined spaces without mask wearing for many hours.
So daven well on Rosh Hashana that it shouldn't happen.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #729 on: September 09, 2020, 09:56:36 AM »
Simchas torah has purim potential.
Nothing comes close to Purim.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #730 on: September 09, 2020, 09:57:28 AM »
So daven well on Rosh Hashana that it shouldn't happen.
Ein Somchin Al HaNeis.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #731 on: September 09, 2020, 10:00:19 AM »
Nothing comes close to Purim.

There is plenty of Torah (and not Purim Torah) about why Yom Kippur is actually K'Purim.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #732 on: September 09, 2020, 10:04:50 AM »
There is plenty of Torah (and not Purim Torah) about why Yom Kippur is actually K'Purim.
This has nothing to do with COVID spreading.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #733 on: September 09, 2020, 10:07:10 AM »
It seems pretty short sighted to abandon all forms of common sense heath responsibility because we want to stick it to Democratic politicians. But here we are.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #734 on: September 09, 2020, 10:23:40 AM »
I think rosh Hashanah does. Singing and shofar blowing in confined spaces without mask wearing for many hours.
One tremendous difference is that on RH it is mainly the same people the entire time.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #735 on: September 09, 2020, 10:37:26 AM »
We are talking about minimal measures to be taken in Lakewood to prevent people in Lakewood from dying. Is that still over your head? Nothing about overwhelming systems, previous pandemics, or shutting down countries. See?
You are all taking it for granted that these measures would save lives. I’m betting that everyone is going to be exposed at some point. You can either drag it out in waves or get it over with. No difference  if 500 people are exposed each week on average for the next year in waves or if 25000 people are exposed now other than prolonged psychological torture with the former. You are seeing that play out in Israel.

The one caveat is if the healthcare system gets overwhelmed in option 2. Considering the current numbers that looks to be extremely remote.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #736 on: September 09, 2020, 10:39:09 AM »
I think rosh Hashanah does. Singing and shofar blowing in confined spaces without mask wearing for many hours.
Maybe in your circles where there are many that show up in the big shul only on RH and YK. Most Lakewood neighborhoods have more or less the same folks that are there every shabbos.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #737 on: September 09, 2020, 10:43:35 AM »
Maybe in your circles where there are many that show up in the big shul only on RH and YK. Most Lakewood neighborhoods have more or less the same folks that are there every shabbos.

Women, children, length of davening, additional singing. There are definitely differences.
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Re: Lakewood cases
« Reply #738 on: September 09, 2020, 10:45:09 AM »
Hearing that there's a letter coming out from the poskim by Monday.
What happened to the letter?

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Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #739 on: September 09, 2020, 10:46:15 AM »
What happened to the letter?
I have the same question. Heard it from more than 1 (reliable) person.
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