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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #840 on: September 10, 2020, 09:55:34 AM »
That’s because NY did the numbers trick. A nursing home patient who was wheeled out with a pulse is not counted as a nursing home death. In NJ and PA which had the same mandate over 43% and 67% of deaths were from nursing homes. NY likely falls somewhere in between.
That may be, but it does not make his statement any more correct.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #841 on: September 10, 2020, 10:04:30 AM »

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #842 on: September 10, 2020, 10:06:04 AM »
According to my math that makes comes out to about 8% of total deaths from an illness at which seniors are at much higher risk. Now that you put it in perspective it dies not sound all that bad.
8% of all the deaths in the US were from ny/nj  nursing homes.. your missing 48 other states... and those are just people who actually died in a nursing home from covid. Not someone who died at a hospital.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #843 on: September 10, 2020, 10:14:00 AM »
Anyone have any DP regarding vomiting as the only symptom for Covid?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #845 on: September 10, 2020, 10:37:39 AM »
That’s because NY did the numbers trick. A nursing home patient who was wheeled out with a pulse is not counted as a nursing home death. In NJ and PA which had the same mandate over 43% and 67% of deaths were from nursing homes. NY likely falls somewhere in between.
Another thing to keep in mind, the mandate was responsible for many elderly people contacting covid which directly led to the overcrowding in the hospitals.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #846 on: September 10, 2020, 10:38:43 AM »
None of this is relevant to the facts o nthe ground today, other than to say we might have more leeway before reaching a "doomsday" scenario.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #847 on: September 10, 2020, 10:45:16 AM »
None of this is relevant to the facts o nthe ground today, other than to say we might have more leeway before reaching a "doomsday" scenario.
Which facts are those? Same ones being reported here that you said to ignore?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #848 on: September 10, 2020, 10:51:51 AM »
Which facts are those? Same ones being reported here that you said to ignore?
The facts on the ground appear to be that dozens if not hundreds of people are getting sick just in the last few weeks alone, and there are communal efforts to not test and contact trace so as to not cause another "shutdown". All of this just as the school year is starting and shuls will become packed for RH/YK, followed by many people coming and going for Sukkos, with minimal social distancing and mask wearing.

Where am I wrong? My point is that what Cuomo did or didn't do wrong in April doesn't affect any of this.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #849 on: September 10, 2020, 10:56:58 AM »
The facts on the ground appear to be that dozens if not hundreds of people are getting sick just in the last few weeks alone, and there are communal efforts to not test and contact trace so as to not cause another "shutdown". All of this just as the school year is starting and shuls will become packed for RH/YK, followed by many people coming and going for Sukkos, with minimal social distancing and mask wearing.

Where am I wrong? My point is that what Cuomo did or didn't do wrong in April doesn't affect any of this.
Why do you think any of that is true? Did you see legitimate source for hundreds of new cases or telling people not to test?.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #850 on: September 10, 2020, 10:58:32 AM »
Why do you think any of that is true? Did you see legitimate source for hundreds of new cases or telling people not to test?.
Who are you fooling?

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Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #851 on: September 10, 2020, 10:59:22 AM »
Why do you think any of that is true? Did you see legitimate source for hundreds of new cases or telling people not to test?.
"Facts on the ground" are only reliable when fitting a certain narrative?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #852 on: September 10, 2020, 11:02:36 AM »
"Facts on the ground" are only reliable when fitting a certain narrative?
When facts on the ground said nobody was getting it the response was, who cares about facts on the ground, their irrelevant and keep following whoever. It can't be the same guys now saying but facts on the ground....

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #853 on: September 10, 2020, 11:13:21 AM »
https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2020/09/thursday-september-10-news-updates.html
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Letter by Harav Eliyohu Levin shlita and other Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachomim stress the importance and  duty of care for health and safety  and should not be underestimated, but that the effort must be to find precautions that will not interfere with the Torah. It is impossible to lower the level of Torah study which is a ikur A definite, Ki Heim Chayeinu over chashash.

@Yard sale maybe this is the letter? My impression was that it would be from the BMG poskim...

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #854 on: September 10, 2020, 11:16:40 AM »
When facts on the ground said nobody was getting it the response was, who cares about facts on the ground, their irrelevant and keep following whoever. It can't be the same guys now saying but facts on the ground....
Nobody was accusing the virus of spreading when it wasn't. They (we) were saying that without proper precautions, there would be nothing to stop it from returning.

It would appear that recent events would confirm that theory.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #855 on: September 10, 2020, 11:20:17 AM »
It's actually flawless logic. 20 people that work in highly trafficked bank, that wore masks, didn't get it. In the surrounding non-mask wearing community there was at least a 50% infection rate.

Dr. Kassover from Chemed told my mother, that none of the Chemed workers were infected, even though it probably had the most corona spreading people in the whole Lakewood. My parents both wear masks after that conversation.
highly trafficked bank? they didn;t let people in for months

Chemed? i think Dr Hirsch and Dr Kawelblum would beg differ on that point

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #856 on: September 10, 2020, 11:51:38 AM »
Letter by Harav Eliyohu Levin shlita and other Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachomim stress the importance and duty of care for health and safety and should not be underestimated, but that the effort must be to find precautions that will not interfere with the Torah. It is impossible to lower the level of Torah study which is a ikur a definite, Ki Heim Chayeinu over chashash.

Finally we have a clear and unambiguous statement to hang all hats on...And it is also from "other Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachamim"!

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #857 on: September 10, 2020, 12:51:08 PM »
Some wrong calls? You realize that 25% of the deaths in the us were in ny/nj? And of those over 30% were in nursing homes. Ny/nj have far more deaths then most countries. Some wrong calls? Sometimes I see things here and I need to read it twice because there's no way someone could actually say that.
How many of the deaths in Lakewood and Brooklyn were from nursing homes? What percentage of deaths in other states like Florida were from nursing homes?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #858 on: September 10, 2020, 01:48:15 PM »
Finally we have a clear and unambiguous statement to hang all hats on...And it is also from "other Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachamim"!
Now we just need the “noted mechanchos” to be on board.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #859 on: September 10, 2020, 02:42:46 PM »


Chemed? i think Dr Hirsch and Dr Kawelblum would beg differ on that point
I'm referring to when they started wearing masks and later.