Lakewood covid cases

[shaulyaakov]

Same here, though there's an outdoor minyan I'm not sure if they require masks.

It's davening, the only reason someone doesn't want to wear a mask in shul is if it gets in the way of their talking to a friend, praying never is uncomfortable wearing a mask

Both indoor and outdoor require. Outdoor the Shat"z is allowed to remove mask occasionally if needed (I'm davening mussaf 2nd day). The shul is also requesting Baalei tefilah to get tested week of, so it's a bit less of a concern anyway.

[aygart]

I'm going to wear a mask on Yamin noraim as is my entire minyan. It's not so complicated.

Same here, though there's an outdoor minyan I'm not sure if they require masks.

It's davening, the only reason someone doesn't want to wear a mask in shul is if it gets in the way of their talking to a friend, praying never is uncomfortable wearing a mask

A couple more times saying the same thing will magically have everyone convinced.

[hllulbh1]

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2020/09/letter-lakewood-roshei-yeshivo-and.html?m=1

Okay, so some take-aways from the Roshei Hayeshiva of BMG, which certainly qualifies as a valid daas torah:

1. Recent uptick has only included mild cases

2. Before attending gatherings, consider if you really need to be there

3. If you have tested positive for, been exposed to someone with or experiencing the symptoms of COVID, stay home

4. Reinfection is not a practical problem and therefore a positive antibody test is sufficient to negate all precautions

Note: zero reference to wearing a mask as required or recommended (only handwashing is listed as general precaution). Bein adam lechaveiro requires adhering to #2&3 above, not mask wearing.

[shaulyaakov]

Okay, so some take-aways from the Roshei Hayeshiva of BMG, which certainly qualifies as a valid daas torah:

1. Recent uptick has only included mild cases

2. Before attending gatherings, consider if you really need to be there

3. If you have tested positive for, been exposed to someone with or experiencing the symptoms of COVID, stay home

4. Reinfection is not a practical problem and therefore a positive antibody test is sufficient to negate all precautions

Note: zero reference to wearing a mask as required or recommended (only handwashing is listed as general precaution). Bein adam lechaveiro requires adhering to #2&3 above, not mask wearing.

The  logic behind masks is based on what?

[S209]

Okay, so some take-aways from the Roshei Hayeshiva of BMG, which certainly qualifies as a valid daas torah:

1. Recent uptick has only included mild cases

2. Before attending gatherings, consider if you really need to be there

3. If you have tested positive for, been exposed to someone with or experiencing the symptoms of COVID, stay home

4. Reinfection is not a practical problem and therefore a positive antibody test is sufficient to negate all precautions

Note: zero reference to wearing a mask as required or recommended (only handwashing is listed as general precaution). Bein adam lechaveiro requires adhering to #2&3 above, not mask wearing.

It doesn’t surprise anybody here that they don’t feel mask wearing should be required

[chevron]

A couple more times saying the same thing will magically have everyone convinced.

No, we tried logic, it didn't work. We said it will take some korbanos, everyone forgot about the shortage of taleisim.

Nothing's gonna work anymore, I hope I'm wrong but otherwise, good luck. .

This will God forbid create the biggest judaic crisis of the 21st century if there's another outbreak.

When your kids ask about the 2020 coronavirus and want to know why no one wore a mask and why all the bubby's and zaidys died, what will you say ?

[avromie7]

I'm going to wear a mask on Yamin noraim as is my entire minyan. It's not so complicated.

Same here, though there's an outdoor minyan I'm not sure if they require masks.

It's davening, the only reason someone doesn't want to wear a mask in shul is if it gets in the way of their talking to a friend, praying never is uncomfortable wearing a mask

This is why there can never be an honest discussion. @chevron asked what's so hard about wearing a mask for 10 minutes in a store as if that was the only time anyone demands mask wearing. I called him out on it but you both chose to attack me instead.

The mask nuts demanding masks for the entire yamim noraim davening as if it's a 10 minute trip to the grocery are the only ones demanding masks in stores.

[S209]

The  logic behind masks is based on what?

Probably some of it is that they think the letter will be totally disregarded if they mandate it.

Also, it’s an imposition that they might not think is necessary.

[avromie7]

Probably some of it is that they think the letter will be totally disregarded if they mandate it.

Also, it’s an imposition that they might not think is necessary.

The mask crazies response is:

What's uncomfortable?! Wearing a mask for 10 min while you shop?

[NTorch]

The mask nuts demanding masks for the entire yamim noraim davening are the only ones demanding masks in stores.

Other than the states of New York and New Jersey which demand it?

[Yard sale]

Probably some of it is that they think the letter will be totally disregarded if they mandate it.

Also, it’s an imposition that they might not think is necessary.

Probably the second, but even if they thought it was necessary they would omit it for the first reason. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

[shaulyaakov]

Other than the states of New York and New Jersey which demand it?

I would remind you Lakewood is in NJ.

[chevron]

This is why there can never be an honest discussion. @chevron asked what's so hard about wearing a mask for 10 minutes in a store as if that was the only time anyone demands mask wearing. I called him out on it but you both chose to attack me instead.

The mask nuts demanding masks for the entire yamim noraim davening as if it's a 10 minute trip to the grocery are the only ones demanding masks in stores.

Yes, you pray in the same spot, you don't jump up and down, you don't go in and out of the shul etc..

Praying with a mask for 5 hours isn't a big deal

I just had a 2 hour MRI with a mask on and it wasn't the end of the world.

Wearing tights in a heat wave looks uncomfortable, I think rabbi's should drop that requirement

[avromie7]

Other than the states of New York and New Jersey which demand it?

I'm talking about on DDF

[avromie7]

Yes, you pray in the same spot, you don't jump up and down, you don't go in and out of the shul etc..

Praying with a mask for 5 hours isn't a big deal

I just had a 2 hour MRI with a mask on and it wasn't the end of the world.

Wearing tights in a heat wave looks uncomfortable, I think rabbi's should drop that requirement

Look how fast it went from 10 minutes in the grocery to 5 hours straight in shul...

[aygart]

No, we tried logic, it didn't work. We said it will take some korbanos, everyone forgot about the shortage of taleisim.

Nothing's gonna work anymore, I hope I'm wrong but otherwise, good luck. .

This will God forbid create the biggest judaic crisis of the 21st century if there's another outbreak.

When your kids ask about the 2020 coronavirus and want to know why no one wore a mask and why all the bubby's and zaidys died, what will you say ?

And every single time it was accompanied by an implication that the person who foinds it to be an imposition is crazy. Everyone gets that YOU don't consider it to be a major imposition. Do you get that OTHERS do?

[Lurker]

And every single time it was accompanied by an implication that the person who foinds it to be an imposition is crazy.

That's not true. I think I've been pretty clear that I understand the discomfort and imposition. I just don't understand why that trumps safety.

[shaulyaakov]

Are masks worse than wearing hats and jackets in the summer or for women to wear wigs and long sleeves?

As a community*, we wear them because we value a certain code/Halachos of dress.

Any attempt to say masks are uncomfortable and unenforceable speaks to not valuing them, more than anything else.

*Obviously not everyone follows this specific dress code, but you get my point.

[aygart]

That's not true. I think I've been pretty clear that I understand the discomfort and imposition. I just don't understand why that trumps safety.

Yes you have been the exception not the rule.

[shaulyaakov]

Yes you have been the exception not the rule.

Of course they are uncomfortable, but it's not nearly as big a deal as it's being made out to be. I couldn't wear a kn95 because I coulsnt breathe in it, so I wear either a cloth mask or a surgical mask. It's not great, but it's really not the biggest deal in the world.