Lakewood covid cases

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Thank you for laying out my pov.

Beards are very uncomfortable both physically and for many young men not able to adapt to it, yet if they trim or shave, various frum sects will basically treat you as evil.

Tzitzits is very uncomfortable In the summer.. yeah if you say that people will say well they make so many different types that are comfortable etc You're just being lazy.

Honestly, people who don't wear a mask are lazy.

The difference is, you're doing it at the expense of the community.

And yes they will kick out a married woman who has her hair uncovered because they will say "we can't daven with erva"

[yaakov35]

Why do people here have such a hard time having daas torah and following it? If ur rav doesn't feel there's a need for a mask then there's no need. If your rav feels you should then you should. Why does everyone need to be smarter?

[S209]

Why do people here have such a hard time having daas torah and following it? If ur rav doesn't feel there's a need for a mask then there's no need. If your rav feels you should then you should. Why does everyone need to be smarter?

Is it possible that part of their decision not to encourage mask usage is that they know how people will react?

[Euclid]

Anyone know who's on the Igud that the letter mentions?

[PlatinumGuy]

So you are arguing for mask wearing to protect the wearer? THere are many studies that call that into question.

Yes. The studies show that the virus can enter. I’m not aware of any studies that show it frequently does

[aygart]

Yes. The studies show that the virus can enter. I’m not aware of any studies that show it frequently does

There are studies regarding prevention of contagion.

[S209]

Forgot to mention- I love the graphic, but everyone, do yourself a favor and still read the book! My all time favorite, hands down.

[hllulbh1]

Comfort IMO is not the litmus test of yes mask or no mask. Only exception I take with the comfort issue is when the YES MASKS say it is no bother, because I do find it somewhat uncomfortable.

The litmus test is daas torah. The BMG roshei hayeshiva know the political / legal / dina dmalchusa aspects and we can assume have absorbed the relevant medical guidance and have determined that masks are not necessary to be on the agenda of COVID protection. You don't need to agree with them, but those who follow their leadership - daas torah if you may - are acting with validity in their mehalach hachayim sans mask. The hamon am should not be putting down, calling them lazy and otherwise vilifying those who follow this direction. IMO it isn't correct for lay people to tell others "just put on a mask" under these conditions.

[Euclid]

I noticed that R' Yeruchem didn't sign it. He's also been the most personally cautious with regards to covid.

[shaulyaakov]

Comfort IMO is not the litmus test of yes mask or no mask. Only exception I take with the comfort issue is when the YES MASKS say it is no bother, because I do find it somewhat uncomfortable.

The litmus test is daas torah. The BMG roshei hayeshiva know the political / legal / dina dmalchusa aspects and we can assume have absorbed the relevant medical guidance and have determined that masks are not necessary to be on the agenda of COVID protection. You don't need to agree with them, but those who follow their leadership - daas torah if you may - are acting with validity in their mehalach hachayim sans mask. The hamon am should not be putting down, calling them lazy and otherwise vilifying those who follow this direction. IMO it isn't correct for lay people to tell others "just put on a mask" under these conditions.

The point where I disagree is that the guidance is the floor, not the ceiling.

[shaulyaakov]

Also, the MO approach to Daas Torah is  completely different, but that's not seething I'm going to touch here witu a 10 foot pole.

[yesitsme]

Comfort IMO is not the litmus test of yes mask or no mask. Only exception I take with the comfort issue is when the YES MASKS say it is no bother, because I do find it somewhat uncomfortable.

The litmus test is daas torah. The BMG roshei hayeshiva know the political / legal / dina dmalchusa aspects and we can assume have absorbed the relevant medical guidance and have determined that masks are not necessary to be on the agenda of COVID protection. You don't need to agree with them, but those who follow their leadership - daas torah if you may - are acting with validity in their mehalach hachayim sans mask. The hamon am should not be putting down, calling them lazy and otherwise vilifying those who follow this direction. IMO it isn't correct for lay people to tell others "just put on a mask" under these conditions.

I guess you never heard of
רבינו סר מן הדרך

A ruv that kills people is not a ruv

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Another wedding this week both sides from Lakewood. Mother of the chosson is now bedridden with covid, was symptomatic shortly after the wedding. Shabbos sheva brachos is mostly canceled. Mother of chosson cant attend any sheva brachos. Many guests exposed.

[yesitsme]

as always never take medical advice from anonymous forums

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Comfort IMO is not the litmus test of yes mask or no mask. Only exception I take with the comfort issue is when the YES MASKS say it is no bother, because I do find it somewhat uncomfortable.

The litmus test is daas torah. The BMG roshei hayeshiva know the political / legal / dina dmalchusa aspects and we can assume have absorbed the relevant medical guidance and have determined that masks are not necessary to be on the agenda of COVID protection. You don't need to agree with them, but those who follow their leadership - daas torah if you may - are acting with validity in their mehalach hachayim sans mask. The hamon am should not be putting down, calling them lazy and otherwise vilifying those who follow this direction. IMO it isn't correct for lay people to tell others "just put on a mask" under these conditions.

Here in Miami, some cities will fine you for not wearing a mask outside.

We are machmir for pikuach nefesh, shame to see rabbanim forgetting the halacha.

Shammai was reprimanded for not feeding his son on yom kippur

[Lurker]

Here in Miami, some cities will fine you for not wearing a mask outside.

We are machmir for pikuach nefesh, shame to see rabbanim forgetting the halacha.

Shammai was reprimanded for not feeding his son on yom kippur

Easy, now... let's not go into shabbos making such broad accusations. We've been here before. It wasn't very productive. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions," and that cuts many ways.

[yesitsme]

Here in Miami, some cities will fine you for not wearing a mask outside.

We are machmir for pikuach nefesh, shame to see rabbanim forgetting the halacha.

Shammai was reprimanded for not feeding his son on yom kippur

Shame on your filthy keypad for typing such words

[Euclid]

15* new cases via OCHD.

[Euclid]

Someone was hospitalized today, low 50s.

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I thought it over and I don't understand the opposition .

Will it impede with people learning and davening ?

Is it considered dressing like the gentiles?

Judaism has thrived by a cycle of death and moving on, hence the need for simcha's etc.

If there's no blanket mask rule, no one will wear it, even if they suspect that they may be sick, there's too much of a stigma and no one wants to stand out.
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