Lakewood covid cases

[Dawie]

Different letter. Not from the recognized poskim or manhigim

Wasn't referring to that letter, Euclid  mentioned way back a letter coming out ... and now its out
his or your quote

 "Letter by Harav Eliyohu Levin shlita and other Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachomim stress the importance and  duty of care for health and safety  and should not be underestimated, but that the effort must be to find precautions that will not interfere with the Torah. It is impossible to lower the level of Torah study which is a ikur A definite, Ki Heim Chayeinu over chashash."

on second glance its not so far off, maybe less focus on importance of healthcare and more on Ki Heim Chayeinu

[Euclid]

Wasn't referring to that letter, Euclid  mentioned way back a letter coming out ... and now its out
his or your quote

 "Letter by Harav Eliyohu Levin shlita and other Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachomim stress the importance and  duty of care for health and safety  and should not be underestimated, but that the effort must be to find precautions that will not interfere with the Torah. It is impossible to lower the level of Torah study which is a ikur A definite, Ki Heim Chayeinu over chashash."

on second glance its not so far off, maybe less focus on importance of healthcare and more on Ki Heim Chayeinu

Was quoting from hefkervelt, hadn't seen the letter personally.

[hllulbh1]

In light of the two letters this weekend, both with similar tone, signed by a list of Lakewood Rabbonim and BMG roshei yeshiva, how do you characterize this as

רבינו סר מן הדרך

[chevron]

How does wearing a mask interfere?

The cold Russian winters never interfere with anybody.

I guess all those stories of extreme mesiras nefesh have no bearing on reality, a mask!!! Oh my Lord!! It's intrusive!! I can't shuckle properly

Joking aside, How does that justify all the weddings with 500 people and nobody wearing a mask?

And if that doesn't serve by example then nobody's ever going to wear it ever and that has broader problems, like maaras ayin etc

[Ergel]

Serious question...those who "can't wear a mask" - have you ever gone skiing?

[Yard sale]

Serious question...those who "can't wear a mask" - have you ever gone skiing?

Yes well try wearing skis and gear in shul for 3 hours

[hllulbh1]

For me the mask does not interfere with listening to krias hatorah for example. The mask IS a serious barrier to saying the words of slichos, pesukei d'zimra or shemona esrei with enthusiasm! It starts choking, fogging the glasses and interferes with davening generally and instead of concentrating on the words, the mask demands alot of the attention.

[good sam]

For me the mask does not interfere with listening to krias hatorah for example. The mask IS a serious barrier to saying the words of slichos, pesukei d'zimra or shemona esrei with enthusiasm! It starts choking, fogging the glasses and interferes with davening generally and instead of concentrating on the words, the mask demands alot of the attention.

If you think wearing a mask is worthwhile, try a different mask. It's about getting the right fit, especially on the bridge of your nose to prevent the warm breath from getting to your glasses. For me, it's the disposable surgical masks that fit best, but only the ones with a bendable wire at the top that takes the shape of your nose.

[Euclid]

Anyone know who's on the Igud that the letter mentions?

R' Forcheimer
R' Henoch Shachar
R' Aryeh Sherwinter
R' Uri Deutch (Forest Park)
R' Chaim Meir Roth (Sterling Forest)
 

[shaulyaakov]

Different community I know, but there's a video circulating of selichos in 770 with almost nobody masked, even tough 770 has a mask policy (allegedly). So can someone explain again where the Daas Torah is in all of this?

[yzj]

Different community I know, but there's a video circulating of selichos in 770 with almost nobody masked, even tough 770 has a mask policy (allegedly). So can someone explain again where the Daas Torah is in all of this?

Where’s the MO Da’as Torah on the beaches, the cruise ships, the Broadway shows, the widespread mixed swimming by pesach hotels and other venues etc? Answer, Rabbanim have to be selective about what they enforce and have to make their voices heard where there is maximum effectiveness.

[shaulyaakov]

Where’s the MO Da’as Torah on the beaches, the cruise ships, the Broadway shows, the widespread mixed swimming by pesach hotels and other venues etc? Answer, Rabbanim have to be selective about what they enforce and have to make their voices heard where there is maximum effectiveness.

The argument here is that people don't need to wear masks because the rabbonim have said they don't need to. In the case of 770, reportedly, they DO require masks. So which is it? Are people not wearing masks because they are following Daas Torah, or are they doing what they want, and finding rabbis who agree with them?

[Lurker]

770 doesn't belong in this thread. CH has its own thread and its own problems.

[hllulbh1]

The argument here is that people don't need to wear masks because the rabbonim have said they don't need to. In the case of 770, reportedly, they DO require masks. So which is it? Are people not wearing masks because they are following Daas Torah, or are they doing what they want, and finding rabbis who agree with them?

You bring up a good point. I don't know the reality in CH, but would use Vishnitz in Monsey as an example. I was at a chasunah there in Av and they had signs on every door requesting social distancing, etc. In reality there was no social distancing etc. whatsoever. So the signs are sometimes just to cover themselves from scrutiny, when in practice their daas torah apparently does not require any of it. Maybe CH is the same?

[YitzyS]

There are 4 hospitalizations from Lakewood, and an additional 5 people on oxygen.

[shaulyaakov]

You bring up a good point. I don't know the reality in CH, but would use Vishnitz in Monsey as an example. I was at a chasunah there in Av and they had signs on every door requesting social distancing, etc. In reality there was no social distancing etc. whatsoever. So the signs are sometimes just to cover themselves from scrutiny, when in practice their daas torah apparently does not require any of it. Maybe CH is the same?

Or people cite the Daas Torah when it's convenient, and ignore it when it's inconvenient?

[Traveler718]

There are 4 hospitalizations from Lakewood, and an additional 5 people on oxygen.

Age ranges? Any preexisting conditions?

[David61]

There are 4 hospitalizations from Lakewood, and an additional 5 people on oxygen.

Source?

Any community other than Crown Heights (https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/) keeping and posting statistics for their community.
Reason won't convince to many people, perhaps hard data (r'l) will help sway people if there is an uptick.

[Euclid]

Source?

Any community other than Crown Heights (https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/) keeping and posting statistics for their community.
Reason won't convince to many people, perhaps hard data (r'l) will help sway people if there is an uptick.

There's clear guidance from our community leaders that we should strive to continue daily life as much as possible. What you and me consider morbid statistics apparently aren't a big enough factor yet; the letter (BMG) was put out after there were many hatzolah calls and hospitalizations.

[Yard sale]

Another wedding this week both sides from Lakewood. Mother of the chosson is now bedridden with covid, was symptomatic shortly after the wedding. Shabbos sheva brachos is mostly canceled. Mother of chosson cant attend any sheva brachos. Many guests exposed.

one of the Lakewood hospitalized