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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1280 on: September 21, 2020, 02:50:25 PM »
Isn't is specifically being covered up at schools?
I haven't heard of any schools covering up any spread that happened at school.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1281 on: September 21, 2020, 02:53:22 PM »
I haven't heard of any schools covering up any spread that happened at school.
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Schools don't have good safety protocols in place, but I haven't heard of any spread amongst kids.

Additionally it seems like most adults are catching it at weddings/work/shul.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1282 on: September 21, 2020, 02:54:40 PM »
Is there any evidence of spread at schools?
Corona was over in May. Of course there is no evidence
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1283 on: September 21, 2020, 02:56:59 PM »
Corona was over in May. Of course there is no evidence
So basically you made it up. Got it.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1284 on: September 21, 2020, 03:06:05 PM »
It's the combo.
It's a Combo but I'm not convinced schools /Elementary are part of this combo. Weddings and Camps clearly restarted this wave and it seems to be slowly spreading thru shuls - yeshivos (just look at specific shuls/yeshivos seems to have multiple members) the interaction that people have by weddings is mind boggling especially by people who never got the virus... Unfortunately, it now brought us to this point...

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1285 on: September 21, 2020, 03:09:43 PM »
Israel, Europe, Canada, & Lakewood all have a significant uptick shortly after schools reopened. There is no reason to assume the Lakewood uptick is different than everywhere else.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1286 on: September 21, 2020, 03:10:22 PM »
Israel, Europe, Canada, & Lakewood all have a significant uptick shortly after schools reopened. There is no reason to assume the Lakewood uptick is different than everywhere else.
Go back through this thread, the uptick started before school started.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1287 on: September 21, 2020, 03:20:27 PM »
Israel, Europe, Canada, & Lakewood all have a significant uptick shortly after schools reopened. There is no reason to assume the Lakewood uptick is different than everywhere else.

Or it's seasonal, and the frum world is ahead of the curve (again) because of our lifestyle, including weddings, shuls, schools, and local stores.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1288 on: September 21, 2020, 03:21:39 PM »
Israel, Europe, Canada, & Lakewood all have a significant uptick shortly after schools reopened. There is no reason to assume the Lakewood uptick is different than everywhere else.
That might be a correlation.

1) Schools reopening shows society has progressed a certain amount along their reopening plans generally, indicating greater laxity

2) Schools reopening allows people with young children at home (consisting primarily of an age group that is considered a major spreader of the virus) to work/socialize out of the home
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1289 on: September 21, 2020, 03:22:52 PM »
That might be a correlation.

1) School reopening shows society has progressed a certain amount along their reopening plans generally, indicating greater laxity

2) School reopening allows people with young children at home (consisting primarily of an age group that is considered a major spreader of the virus) to work/socialize out of the home
School reopened because it's September and that's when the year starts. I didn't say the spread was at school, I said it's a result of schools being opened.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1290 on: September 21, 2020, 03:25:44 PM »
It's a Combo but I'm not convinced schools /Elementary are part of this combo. Weddings and Camps clearly restarted this wave and it seems to be slowly spreading thru shuls - yeshivos (just look at specific shuls/yeshivos seems to have multiple members) the interaction that people have by weddings is mind boggling especially by people who never got the virus... Unfortunately, it now brought us to this point...
This. It is increasingly clear that the uptick began with people coming back from camp with COVID, and them or family members subsequently attending weddings and other simchos.

Now it looks like it’s making its way through schools, shuls, and everything in between.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1291 on: September 21, 2020, 03:26:45 PM »
Isn't is specifically being covered up at schools?
Don't complain about others believing everything they hear because you are just as guilty.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1292 on: September 21, 2020, 03:27:56 PM »
Isn't is specifically being covered up at schools?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1293 on: September 21, 2020, 03:43:45 PM »
This. It is increasingly clear that the uptick began with people coming back from camp with COVID, and them or family members subsequently attending weddings and other simchos.

Now it looks like it’s making its way through schools, shuls, and everything in between.

Is it time yet for a frank conversation about whether we are our own worst enemy?

They shut down NY-NJ sleepaway camps, so we sent our kids to camps which were being held in other states, and now we are hearing stories of community spread due to kids bringing it back from camp.

They asked us to limit the number of attendees at weddings and while some halls played by the rules and limited the number of guests, others brought in massive tents and hosted weddings of more than 3x the limit, or claimed that the weddings were in separate rooms (or just covered their windows).

I admit I sent one of my kids to camp, although I rationalized that since my son had COVID in March, tested positive for antibodies and donated antibodies, it was safe to send him. When he came back he took a test again (which BH was negative) before leaving for Yeshiva in Israel, so I was not personally impacted, but clearly other were.

Same for weddings - my Aishes Chayil and I went to two weddings in August and while we wore masks (other than eating at a separate table) many people at the weddings, especially the friends of chosson and kallah at a large "tent wedding" in NJ did not.

While the state restrictions on the size of a simcha and the refusal to allow sleep away camps to open seemed onerous and burdensome, I have to wonder if there would not be a spread such as it is now if people had just followed the rules.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1294 on: September 21, 2020, 03:46:01 PM »
Don't complain about others believing everything they hear because you are just as guilty.
This was specifically brought up on DDF within the last week or 2.

If not, great.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1295 on: September 21, 2020, 03:56:59 PM »
So is there a massive uptick in hospitalizations?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1296 on: September 21, 2020, 04:32:02 PM »
Some would say this is about as good as it gets- thousands more people who are had Corona and are as good as vaccinated with minimal hospitalizations. Hopefully it keeps going this way.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1297 on: September 21, 2020, 04:53:34 PM »
This was specifically brought up on DDF within the last week or 2.

If not, great.
By one DDF member who didn’t do any actual research and basically made it up.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1298 on: September 21, 2020, 05:01:11 PM »
Go back through this thread, the uptick started before school started.

Time-wise, the uptick coincides with camp ending and then bumps a little higher when schools open. Obviously, correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
 


Chart shows the 7 day average for Lakewood, based on OCHD.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1299 on: September 21, 2020, 05:35:16 PM »
...., I have to wonder if there would not be a spread such as it is now if people had just followed the rules.
This whole breakout after 6 months of lockdown reinforces the theory that all lockdowns accomplish is kicking the can down the road.

If you're old enough to remember '15 days to slow the spread' that's all it was meant to accomplish.