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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1480 on: September 24, 2020, 11:28:07 AM »
This reminds me of the following joke:

A guy is circling around the block a few minutes before shabbos desperately trying to find a parking spot. He starts davening to find a spot. Nothing. He starts crying out to Hashem promising to be a better person and to give more tzedakah. Right as he's about to finish his plea, the car right in front of him pulls out. So he says, "never mind! I found a spot!"

We have doctors telling us what to do to save lives. But rather than heeding their warnings, we're doing whatever we want, and then say, "there's no way to stop the gezeria. There simply nothing we can do."

Hashem is sending a plague, for reasons none of us can begin to comprehend. He also sent us doctors and scientists to tell us how we can mitigate it. It would behoove us to listen to both messages.
Yet there are tens of thousands of posts here over the last few weeks pontificating on the second message and hardly even a post acknowledging the first one.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1481 on: September 24, 2020, 11:32:16 AM »
Yet there are tens of thousands of posts here over the last few weeks pontificating on the second message and hardly even a post acknowledging the first one.

Prepare for war, then daven.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1482 on: September 24, 2020, 11:33:17 AM »
Yet there are tens of thousands of posts here over the last few weeks pontificating on the second message and hardly even a post acknowledging the first one.
I'm my RH outdoor minyan, we focused on both.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1483 on: September 24, 2020, 12:37:20 PM »
Prepare for war, then daven.
And in Uman they went for option 3

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1484 on: September 24, 2020, 01:23:12 PM »
And in Uman they went for option 3

Most just cancelled Covid and did nothing.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1485 on: September 24, 2020, 01:49:17 PM »
The data simply doesn't show what you claim.

20% of all NYC cases are coming from 6 neighborhoods. I beleive 5 of those are almost exclusively orthodox.
Far rockaway is nowhere near exclusively orthodox

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1486 on: September 24, 2020, 01:54:22 PM »
Far rockaway is nowhere near exclusively orthodox

Neither is Williamsburg - but honestly speaking the cases are ours, not the other residents of those neighborhoods.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1487 on: September 24, 2020, 01:57:04 PM »
Far rockaway is nowhere near exclusively orthodox
If it were only one neighborhood, you'd have a point. But come on. There's a clear pattern here.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1488 on: September 24, 2020, 01:58:03 PM »
Anecdotally, are there a lot of frum cases in far Rockaway?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1489 on: September 24, 2020, 01:59:20 PM »
If it were only one neighborhood, you'd have a point. But come on. There's a clear pattern here.
Does that mean you’re allowed to say stuff which are false?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1490 on: September 24, 2020, 01:59:36 PM »
Neither is Williamsburg - but honestly speaking the cases are ours, not the other residents of those neighborhoods.
If it were only one neighborhood, you'd have a point. But come on. There's a clear pattern here.
The clear pattern is that there's an outbreak in multiple neighborhoods but DeBlasio decided to pick on the jews.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1491 on: September 24, 2020, 01:59:57 PM »
That’s if you assume that a vaccine is around the corner. Many would say that everyone will be exposed eventually one way or the other. Wait until late 2021 before you take a victory lap and call it preventable and a miscalculation. Look at the premature victory everyone here declared in the Sweden vs Denmark thread. (BTW Chicago took things seriously. The shuls were empty Shavuos night.  They have a bunch of cases. Far Rockaway took things seriously. They are inundated with cases. Passaic has multiple cases.)

Besides, what is taking place in Denmark and across Europe tells you that even widely adopted efforts at long term precautions are simply not sustainable. Fatigue sets in, and the resulting resurgence is bound to happen.
Why aren't long term precautions sustainable? Man up and do what you have to do.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1492 on: September 24, 2020, 02:01:09 PM »
The clear pattern is that there's an outbreak in multiple neighborhoods but DeBlasio decided to pick on the jews.
Who cares about what deblasio said? What's clear is that there is a second wave in frum communities in NJ/NY

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1493 on: September 24, 2020, 02:02:34 PM »
Why aren't long term precautions sustainable? Man up and do what you have to do.
I don’t know why. Ask the dozens of countries who couldn’t manage it. Human nature?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1494 on: September 24, 2020, 02:03:30 PM »
I don’t know why. Ask the dozens of countries who couldn’t manage it. Human nature?
What about the many areas that are still being careful? Don't excuse laziness by pointing to other lazy people

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1495 on: September 24, 2020, 02:04:57 PM »
Why aren't long term precautions sustainable? Man up and do what you have to do.
First it was 2 weeks, then it became a few months, and now we're looking at 2 years.


The longer this continues the worse the psychological damage. The more time goes on, the more benefit of "precautions" are outweighed.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1497 on: September 24, 2020, 02:06:50 PM »
Who cares about what deblasio said? What's clear is that there is a second wave in frum communities in NJ/NY
It's very important to point out that he's a liar and an antisemite. This is not about whether or not there is a second wave in the frum community.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1498 on: September 24, 2020, 02:09:06 PM »
It's very important to point out that he's a liar and an antisemite. This is not about whether or not there is a second wave in the frum community.
Right, two separate issues, but don't let that distract from the fact that there is a clear major outbreak in frum communities

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1499 on: September 24, 2020, 02:11:16 PM »
The clear pattern is that there's an outbreak in multiple neighborhoods but DeBlasio decided to pick on the jews.

That's the second time that you said that, but did you hear his press conference?

I'm not a fan of DeBlasio in any sense, but he went out of his way to mention neighborhoods and said nothing about them being Jewish.

Here is an excerpt from the press conference where he mentions the neighborhood

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Now, look, what we've found is the more we focus testing where the need is greatest, the more impact that makes. So, this is the hyperlocal effort that Test and Trace is focused on. It's made all the difference. And one of the areas now that been already involved in the hyperlocal testing effort and the outreach effort is Ozone Park, Queens. There's been free rapid testing available. This is the point of care testing with a fast turnaround testing, quick answers – and that's been available and continues to be available through October 2nd at the Queens Public Library in Ozone Park. And there are medical interpreters onsite – they speak Spanish, Bengali, Urdu, Punjabi, and Cantonese. So, really ready to serve the needs of that particular community. So, whenever we see an area we need to focus on, we've seen consistently what happens – a lot more testing, happens a lot more outreach, a lot more communication, and we see good results and we're going to keep doing that. So we're continuing that effort and ozone park Queens. We're continuing the effort in Borough Park, in Brooklyn – testing center open at Fort Hamilton Parkway in 41st Street. Again, crucial for people to get tested in that community. And we have other areas where we need to really focus more and we're going to see expanded community outreach efforts into neighborhoods where we are seeing some upticks in the last day. So, here are some areas we're concerned about Kew Gardens, Midwood, Flatbush, Far Rockaway and Williamsburg. All these are neighborhoods where we've seen some upticks lately. We need to apply a lot of energy and focus to these areas. You're going to see a lot of activity in the community to remind people of the basics, how important it is and what we call the core four – four things that you can do that makes such a difference – wear a mask, socially distance, wash your hands, and stay home if you’re sick. Four things – I can do this for things

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/673-20/transcript-mayor-de-blasio-holds-media-availability

I don't know if its because of what happened the last few times when he did single us out, but not  this time.