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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1540 on: September 24, 2020, 06:49:01 PM »
It has been assumed since February that children are not the main drivers of transmission in these outbreaks. This is one of the features that is unique to COVID-19: adults tend to pass it to children, not the other way around.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1541 on: September 24, 2020, 07:12:36 PM »
It has been assumed since February that children are not the main drivers of transmission in these outbreaks. This is one of the features that is unique to COVID-19: adults tend to pass it to children, not the other way around.
This has been debunked
Based on what we've seen in Lakewood during the past 2 waves it definitely seems that children (10-11 and under) aren't a source of spread.
There is no way you have enough data to assume that.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1542 on: September 24, 2020, 07:12:59 PM »
Wasn't saying they don't get sick; rather they don't seem to be a source of spread...

A family member who was being very careful, davening outdoors, no supermarkets etc is now positive along with his wife, son and daughter. The only one who was exposed was their elementary age son who was in school.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1543 on: September 24, 2020, 07:16:20 PM »
A family member who was being very careful, davening outdoors, no supermarkets etc is now positive along with his wife, son and daughter. The only one who was exposed was their elementary age son who was in school.
Interesting; how old is the son? Thanks for the DP.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1544 on: September 24, 2020, 07:16:47 PM »
There is no way you have enough data to assume that.
100%. Was basing it on anecdotes.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1545 on: September 24, 2020, 07:25:30 PM »
100%. Was basing it on anecdotes.
This, and I heard it directly from a pediatrician in Lakewood this week
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1546 on: September 24, 2020, 07:55:12 PM »
The State is actively working on plans for a very large very intrusive response. Not going to be fun.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1547 on: September 24, 2020, 08:24:42 PM »
A family member who was being very careful, davening outdoors, no supermarkets etc is now positive along with his wife, son and daughter. The only one who was exposed was their elementary age son who was in school.
Do you mean the only KNOWN exposure?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1548 on: September 24, 2020, 08:56:12 PM »
Interesting; how old is the son? Thanks for the DP.

11 year old.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1549 on: September 24, 2020, 08:57:37 PM »
11 year old.
Ah that may be it. The pediatrician I spoke to said that 10-11 seems to be the cutoff.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1550 on: September 24, 2020, 10:13:13 PM »
Hearing about quite a few people *with* COVID who are attending the COVID *restricted* minyanim (many without masks; after all, they’re outdoors). Absolutely nuts.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1551 on: September 24, 2020, 10:16:50 PM »
Hearing about quite a few people *with* COVID who are attending the COVID *restricted* minyanim (many without masks; after all, they’re outdoors). Absolutely nuts.
Hope the State intervenes sooner rather than later.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1552 on: September 24, 2020, 10:19:39 PM »
Hearing about quite a few people *with* COVID who are attending the COVID *restricted* minyanim (many without masks; after all, they’re outdoors). Absolutely nuts.

Real question: does having Covid+ minyanim help by giving people another option, or do they hurt by making it seem kosher for Covid+ people to be out and about and joining minyanim?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1553 on: September 24, 2020, 10:20:49 PM »
Real question: does having Covid+ minyanim help by giving people another option, or do they hurt by making it seem kosher for Covid+ people to be out and about and joining minyanim?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1554 on: September 24, 2020, 10:27:43 PM »
Hearing about quite a few people *with* COVID who are attending the COVID *restricted* minyanim (many without masks; after all, they’re outdoors). Absolutely nuts.
I guess it’s only half joking the story going around with the Baltimore guy who is really careful with social distancing and mask guidelines who finds myself in a Lakewood shul for mincha. Aghast at the fact that nobody is wearing masks he has no intention of joining them and risking catching Corona. He sees a small side room with a bunch of guys davening mincha that are all wearing masks so he joins them. After mincha one of the guys puts on his hand “Sholom aleichem. I see you caught it too.”

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1555 on: September 24, 2020, 10:28:36 PM »
I guess it’s only half joking the story going around with the Baltimore guy who is really careful with social distancing and mask guidelines who finds myself in a Lakewood shul for mincha. Aghast at the fact that nobody is wearing masks he has no intention of joining them and risking catching Corona. He sees a small side room with a bunch of guys davening mincha that are all wearing masks so he joins them. After mincha one of the guys puts on his hand “Sholom aleichem. I see you caught it too.”
Heard that about Boro Park but when I heard it I was on the floor.


Seriously speaking, how can this message be conveyed to people? Each individual I spoke with understood the issue after I explained it to them but for many people it honestly doesn’t even dawn on them
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1556 on: September 24, 2020, 10:37:49 PM »
The irony of people saying that those who are wearing masks are "sheep" seems to be lost.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1557 on: September 24, 2020, 10:42:08 PM »
Any list of outdoor minyanom or masked minyanim (not ppl that are exposed or covid+? Would be nice to have

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1558 on: September 24, 2020, 11:02:35 PM »
This has been debunked There is no way you have enough data to assume that.
A. The cdc has stated that people who are asymptomatic “it is rare for them to transmit the virus”. Children have a higher rate of being asymptomatic.
B. In Israel they actually treat children up to fifth grade more leniently than above. Schools have been closed only above fifth grade.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1559 on: September 24, 2020, 11:04:03 PM »
Hearing about quite a few people *with* COVID who are attending the COVID *restricted* minyanim (many without masks; after all, they’re outdoors). Absolutely nuts.
Hope the State intervenes sooner rather than later.
Seems like people are confused. It is imperative for the organizers to explain whom the minyan is catered to. Both types of minyanim exist.