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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1640 on: September 26, 2020, 11:41:40 PM »
At the risk of making a No True Scottsman argument, "no true gadol..."

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1641 on: September 26, 2020, 11:42:17 PM »
wow I am speechless.

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And in that case,

I would be dan tkaf zchus that the Rov is ignorant of the facts and therefore should not be considered regarding this topic. Without being dan lkaf zchus like this I would consider him to be likely upgefregt.

I try to not judge at all, because I wouldn't be able to do so favorably.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1642 on: September 26, 2020, 11:45:17 PM »
At the risk of making a No True Scottsman argument, "no true gadol..."

To the extent that being a gadol is by definition someone worthy of following their moral guidance, someone not worthy of that is by definition not a gadol.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1643 on: September 26, 2020, 11:48:30 PM »
I texted one of the shul gabbaim, he told me the Rov made the decision after speaking to a local dr.
The shul should be named and publicized IMHO, so others can avoid it.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1644 on: September 26, 2020, 11:48:43 PM »
And it's part of the regular minyan
Oh, a Corona party. I heard of those.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1645 on: September 26, 2020, 11:49:18 PM »
The shul should be named and publicized IMHO, so others can avoid it.

I'm more curious about naming the local doctor.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1646 on: September 26, 2020, 11:49:47 PM »
Oh, a Corona party. I heard of those.

Hard to like that... but lol
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1647 on: September 26, 2020, 11:57:59 PM »
To the extent that being a gadol is by definition someone worthy of following their moral guidance, someone not worthy of that is by definition not a gadol.
Yes, that's why I made the point. I admit though that it's generally not a reasonable argument to say that anyone who doesn't agree with me isn't a gadol, but these are extraordinary times.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1648 on: September 26, 2020, 11:58:33 PM »
Sounds like some are itching to have the state police showing up so they can tell anti semitism
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1649 on: September 26, 2020, 11:59:50 PM »
Sounds like some are itching to have the state police showing up so they can scream at others for crying anti semitism
FTFY
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1650 on: September 27, 2020, 12:13:14 AM »
Sounds like some are itching to have the state police showing up so they can yell anti semitism
Dov Hikind move to Lakewood?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1651 on: September 27, 2020, 12:15:02 AM »
Dov Hikind move to Lakewood?

Hasn't been necessary before...
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1652 on: September 27, 2020, 12:20:49 AM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1653 on: September 27, 2020, 12:53:53 AM »
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Due to the current situation, the main Mikva of Lakewood will have a designated hour for the elderly and immune compromised on Erev Yom Kippur between 10:00-11:00 am. The left room of the Mikva will be specially cleaned prior to this hour and designated for this purpose with proper medical precautions.(Bais Havad)
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Passaic Rabbonim Advise that Men should fulfill the obligation of Mikva erev Yom Kippur by taking a shower of Tisha Kabin according to the Rama. Anyone in quarantine should not leave their home except for a medical necesity.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1654 on: September 27, 2020, 01:23:58 AM »
I don't know how faith in rabbanim and community leaders will be restored after this. At this moment, I'm unable to hear a shmooz from my Rov or go to him with shailos and eitzos. It's heartbreaking.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1655 on: September 27, 2020, 01:34:14 AM »
I don't know how faith in rabbanim and community leaders will be restored after this. At this moment, I'm unable to hear a shmooz from my Rov or go to him with shailos and eitzos. It's heartbreaking.

This is why you need a Rav why you are mekabel אפילו כשאומר על שמאל ימין ואל ימין שמאל. (Disclaimer: I'm guiltier than you in this. I have the same problem. The best would be if your Rav is a genuine gadol who you can trust implicitly with life and death questions and that has the shoulders to make such decisions, but most people do not have that kind of access. I do not envy any Rav right now. It's a really tough position to be in, and the ramifications of the decisions they have to make are staggering. There are a lot of conflicting data sets, a lot of unclarity, and a lot of options, none of them really good.)

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1656 on: September 27, 2020, 01:43:42 AM »
I don't know how faith in rabbanim and community leaders will be restored after this. At this moment, I'm unable to hear a shmooz from my Rov or go to him with shailos and eitzos. It's heartbreaking.
Can't say I'm in your capsule on this one.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1657 on: September 27, 2020, 01:55:14 AM »
This is why you need a Rav why you are mekabel אפילו כשאומר על שמאל ימין ואל ימין שמאל. (Disclaimer: I'm guiltier than you in this. I have the same problem. The best would be if your Rav is a genuine gadol who you can trust implicitly with life and death questions and that has the shoulders to make such decisions, but most people do not have that kind of access. I do not envy any Rav right now. It's a really tough position to be in, and the ramifications of the decisions they have to make are staggering. There are a lot of conflicting data sets, a lot of unclarity, and a lot of options, none of them really good.)
I would be much more receptive to this if he himself would wear a mask.
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Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1658 on: September 27, 2020, 01:58:17 AM »
I don't know how faith in rabbanim and community leaders will be restored after this. At this moment, I'm unable to hear a shmooz from my Rov or go to him with shailos and eitzos. It's heartbreaking.
My rav was niftar just over a year ago; myself and the community as a whole would really have benefited from his wisdom and medical knowledge.

(Yes, I'm talking about him.)
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #1659 on: September 27, 2020, 02:28:54 AM »
I don't know how faith in rabbanim and community leaders will be restored after this. At this moment, I'm unable to hear a shmooz from my Rov or go to him with shailos and eitzos. It's heartbreaking.
Not a good place to be in. If he was your Rav as long as his eitzos made sense to you and were in line with your way of thinking perhaps you were really your own Rav all along? Maybe the Rav has thought about your position and can articulate a good reason why he is choosing to advise otherwise? I would either reconcile my opinion with my Rav, speak to my Rav openly to try to figure out where he is coming from, or get myself  a new Rav ASAP. 

Unfortunately most adults in Lakewood don’t truly have a Rav (or a doctor).
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