Lakewood covid cases

[Euclid]

Still haven’t heard of someone that had it in march and got it (actually sick with symptoms)
Again now.
The reason i say specifically with symptoms is since the tests are so sensitive that its been tried and tested  for false positives.

You may have not heard of it, but local doctors are reporting that there's been cases.

[4yourinfo]

This is a disgrace.

It's a disgrace that Murphy is looking at a completely fake metric called "positive rate" if you test everyone is one thing but to only test sick people - what does this show? That we are smart and are only testing people that actually have covid! My BIL went to chemed to get tested and they put up a big fight as he had no symptoms (going away..) so other places are testing everyone and they have a lower positive rate - Amazing! This number is a lie and is meant to create a false narrative. Let's look at cases and that's it! Cases are up - I agree but don't look at fake metrics to get the entire NJ after Lakewood.

[aygart]

Still haven’t heard of someone that had it in march and got it (actually sick with symptoms)
Again now.
The reason i say specifically with symptoms is since the tests are so sensitive that its been tried and tested  for false positives.

Then you haven't read these forums where they are discussed. A starting point is here

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=119232.0

[S209]

It's a disgrace that Murphy is looking at a completely fake metric called "positive rate" if you test everyone is one thing but to only test sick people - what does this show? That we are smart and are only testing people that actually have covid! My BIL went to chemed to get tested and they put up a big fight as he had no symptoms (going away..) so other places are testing everyone and they have a lower positive rate - Amazing! This number is a lie and is meant to create a false narrative. Let's look at cases and that's it! Cases are up - I agree but don't look at fake metrics to get the entire NJ after Lakewood.

...and we’ve completed the circle.

[S209]

It's a disgrace that Murphy is looking at a completely fake metric called "positive rate" if you test everyone is one thing but to only test sick people - what does this show? That we are smart and are only testing people that actually have covid! My BIL went to chemed to get tested and they put up a big fight as he had no symptoms (going away..) so other places are testing everyone and they have a lower positive rate - Amazing! This number is a lie and is meant to create a false narrative. Let's look at cases and that's it! Cases are up - I agree but don't look at fake metrics to get the entire NJ after Lakewood.

Funny, when total cases were being reported we were told only the positive rate matters, now that positive rate is being reported only total cases matter? They were *always* only testing those exposed or with symptoms. Now is no different. If you don’t realize Lakewood has a massive outbreak going on I have a bridge to sell you.

[yuneeq]

How do you sign up for a quest account and link the test taken at Friendly (asking for relative that tested there this morning and wants results b4 y"t)

https://myquest.questdiagnostics.com/web/home
Create account and fill in your info, the test will automatically be connected.

[4yourinfo]

Funny, when total cases were being reported we were told only the positive rate matters, now that positive rate is being reported only total cases matter? They were *always* only testing those exposed or with symptoms. Now is no different. If you don’t realize Lakewood has a massive outbreak going on I have a bridge to sell you.

I don't recall seeing anyone ever saying to look at rate of positivity - I agreed there's a massive outbreak going on - but Don't run to fake metrics - not being honest only adds fuel to those who who don't want to be careful...

[yuneeq]

It's a disgrace that Murphy is looking at a completely fake metric called "positive rate" if you test everyone is one thing but to only test sick people - what does this show? That we are smart and are only testing people that actually have covid! My BIL went to chemed to get tested and they put up a big fight as he had no symptoms (going away..) so other places are testing everyone and they have a lower positive rate - Amazing! This number is a lie and is meant to create a false narrative. Let's look at cases and that's it! Cases are up - I agree but don't look at fake metrics to get the entire NJ after Lakewood.

They continue to run out of tests every day (over 1k tested yesterday) and you want people without symptoms to get tested first? The positive rate is also like 20x higher than the rest of NJ, despite doing so much testing. Usually the more people that test the lower the positive rate goes, as testing capacity goes up, more people with no symptoms are tested. A rising positivity rate along with a rising case rate is always very concerning.

[yuneeq]

I don't recall seeing anyone ever saying to look at rate of positivity - I agreed there's a massive outbreak going on - but Don't run to fake metrics - not being honest only adds fuel to those who who don't want to be careful...

Are you new here?

[aygart]

Funny, when total cases were being reported we were told only the positive rate matters, now that positive rate is being reported only total cases matter? They were *always* only testing those exposed or with symptoms. Now is no different. If you don’t realize Lakewood has a massive outbreak going on I have a bridge to sell you.

You can flip this in the opposite direction and it would be equally true.

[4yourinfo]

Are you new here?

Was the amount of covid cases way up but the "positive rate" down? Or people were just showing everything is down?

[S209]

I don't recall seeing anyone ever saying to look at rate of positivity

That’s on you, you don’t have to look very far.

I agreed there's a massive outbreak going on - but Don't run to fake metrics - not being honest only adds fuel to those who who don't want to be careful...

You mean like this guy?

More than before? Ilook at NY, NJ, it's not mask wearing - it's time to open your eyes it's herd immunity that's slowing this thing down basically every place that gets hit hard seems to recover within the next 1 1/2 months

Look at florida Texas Arizona they all had their spikes after the mask wearing promotion of the CDC. Mask wearing does very little to contain this monster.

We are now 2 + weeks into this "Spike" and nothing changed SD and the spike seems to be contained to weddings/simchas (or camps which are over) so let's just fix that and stop screaming about the masks, sd everywhere else.

Here's a reason not to wear a mask - if someone has antibodies and according to "studies" the antibodies seem to fade after a few months than maybe constantly getting exposed to the virus will keep the antibodies from disappearing! Like a booster shot - there are multiple articles out there very wary of any vaccine as the vaccine will wear off just like we're seeing with antibodies...

I still wonder if getting exposed while having antibodies strengthens the antibodies? (The benefit of not wearing a mask)

[4yourinfo]

That’s on you, you don’t have to look very far.You mean like this guy?

? - we are discussing the rate of positivity??

[S209]

You can flip this in the opposite direction and it would be equally true.

Really? Link?

[S209]

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[shaulyaakov]

Nobody is testing for fun. People get tested if they have symptoms. The positivity rate is a key metric as is estimates how much of the population is getting covid vs. a common cold. It's a huge reach to say that Lakewood and BP are being "smarter" than everyone and only testing people who were symptomatic.

To your other point, both metrics (number of new cases and positivity rate) tell part of the story. Taken together, they offer a good window into the state of things. If the number of cases is increasing, AND the rate of positives are BOTH increasing, that's a clear sign of an outbreak.

[S209]

Was the amount of covid cases way up but the "positive rate" down? Or people were just showing everything is down?

When only total cases were reported, there was a legitimate argument made that really percent positive matters more because testing increased. But that same argument can’t now be made in reverse (especially as testing is increasing!)

[aygart]

Nobody is testing for fun. People get tested if they have symptoms. The positivity rate is a key metric as is estimates how much of the population is getting covid vs. a common cold. It's a huge reach to say that Lakewood and BP are being "smarter" than everyone and only testing people who were symptomatic.

To your other point, both metrics (number of new cases and positivity rate) tell part of the story. Taken together, they offer a good window into the state of things. If the number of cases is increasing, AND the rate of positives are BOTH increasing, that's a clear sign of an outbreak.

It isn't a question of smarter but that with an active outbreak the lines are long and the inconvenience of testing is higher. this filters out more people.

[aygart]

Really? Link?

Just look at the replies to those touting positivity rate.

[S209]

Nobody is testing for fun. People get tested if they have symptoms. The positivity rate is a key metric as is estimates how much of the population is getting covid vs. a common cold. It's a huge reach to say that Lakewood and BP are being "smarter" than everyone and only testing people who were symptomatic.

To your other point, both metrics (number of new cases and positivity rate) tell part of the story. Taken together, they offer a good window into the state of things. If the number of cases is increasing, AND the rate of positives are BOTH increasing, that's a clear sign of an outbreak.

Correct.

If the whole NJ is tested together, and 90,000 people have it, only 1% are positive, and that’s bad.

If the only 4 people in NJ that were exposed and symptomatic are tested, and 2 out of 4 are positive, 50% have it, and that’s meaningless.

If testing remains constant or increases and *either* positivity or total cases is reported as having risen (obviously they would rise in tandem) that’s bad.