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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2420 on: October 19, 2020, 12:45:03 PM »
https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/10/whats-driving-covid-19-spike-lakewood-ocean-county-orthodox-jewish-community-fears/
 Unpacking that number by town, however, is revealing. Lakewood’s last reported daily positivity rate, on Sept. 26, was 27%, nearly 10 times the state average, and its 5,639 current cases make up 36% of Ocean County’s total.

This is fake news. 5,639 is not current cases. It is a cumulative total of cases since March.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2421 on: October 19, 2020, 02:40:19 PM »
And here I thought it was a pretty fair article without really checking the numbers.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2422 on: October 19, 2020, 04:10:57 PM »
This is the trick they play, the media has been using it since day 1. When the raw number sounds worse they use the raw number, when the per capita number sounds worse they use the per capita number. There is nothing intellectually honest about it.

In this case though there’s literally no difference which number they use. The per capita number is 5k/100k, and the raw number is 5639 for 100k residents. They are using census data, but that’s all they can go off of. And if you want them to use @YitzyS’s estimate of 150k residents for the per capita calculations, they may as well count cases for the “80% of Lakewood already got it”
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2423 on: October 19, 2020, 04:13:15 PM »
In this case though there’s literally no difference which number they use. The per capita number is 5k/100k, and the raw number is 5639 for 100k residents. They are using census data, but that’s all they can go off of. And if you want them to use @YitzyS’s estimate of 150k residents for the per capita calculations, they may as well count cases for the “80% of Lakewood already got it”
80% of Lakewood got it. Unless someone uses that number in a way we don't want. That would be anti-semitism.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2424 on: October 19, 2020, 04:16:29 PM »
This is fake news. 5,639 is not current cases. It is a cumulative total of cases since March.

5639 cases since March... Wow, those preventative measures are amazing!
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2425 on: October 19, 2020, 04:42:14 PM »
https://matzav.com/lakewood-mosdos-if-we-dont-test-the-governor-will-shut-us-down/

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy released a “Road to Recovery” plan in June as a guide for the opening of the State of New Jersey during the Covid-19 period. In that plan there were clear benchmarks with regards to what warrants shutting down schools and businesses. The benchmark that determines if a community is in a “pandemic” phase is when 20% of tests taken, produce positive results. Lakewood, NJ was at 29% before Yom Tov. The governor’s office was contemplating closing down Lakewood and reached out to the askanim in Lakewood.

In response to this, the Igud Rabbonim and Igud Mosdos in Lakewood sent out a message asking everyone without symptoms to test. This had the intended results and brought the rate down to 14% by Isru Chag. This was enough of a change that the governor backed off and was willing to allow the mosdos to stay open. However, the Health Commissioner made it clear that this is contingent on an ongoing effort to test students. They delivered 20,000 tests to Lakewood after Yom Tov to help assist with the testing efforts. Matzav.com was told that the rate continues to drop rapidly, as expected.

Bikur Cholim and Chemed are both recognized by the state as valid testing agents. Bikur Cholim uses a company called Vault medical Services. Chemed does not administer a saliva test, which is why many yeshivos have opted to go with Bikur Cholim.

By law, Matzav.com was told by askanim, Governor Murphy had the power to close down the Lakewood mosdos before Yom Tov but chose not to copy his New York counterpart, Governor Andrew Cuomo, thanks to a with him relationship cultivated by hardworking askanim.

“In summation, if we do not comply with their request to test, they will shut us down so long as there are positive cases in Lakewood,” an askan told Matzav.com.

In the past week since Yom Tov, there have been approximately 500 positive cases in Lakewood. This was a result of symptomatic people who have been going to doctors. While this number is lower than it was during Yom Tov, it is still high enough to warrant government intervention. It is hoped – and expected, according to activists who Matzav.com spoke to – that the positivity rate will continue to decline in Lakewood and mosdos will remain open.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2426 on: October 19, 2020, 04:56:38 PM »
I called bikur cholim they said they don't administer saliva tests?

where can we currently get a saliva test and are they more accurate than nose test?

Is chemed still doing tip of the nose tests?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2427 on: October 19, 2020, 06:39:54 PM »
https://matzav.com/lakewood-mosdos-if-we-dont-test-the-governor-will-shut-us-down/

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy released a “Road to Recovery” plan in June as a guide for the opening of the State of New Jersey during the Covid-19 period. In that plan there were clear benchmarks with regards to what warrants shutting down schools and businesses. The benchmark that determines if a community is in a “pandemic” phase is when 20% of tests taken, produce positive results. Lakewood, NJ was at 29% before Yom Tov. The governor’s office was contemplating closing down Lakewood and reached out to the askanim in Lakewood.

In response to this, the Igud Rabbonim and Igud Mosdos in Lakewood sent out a message asking everyone without symptoms to test. This had the intended results and brought the rate down to 14% by Isru Chag. This was enough of a change that the governor backed off and was willing to allow the mosdos to stay open. However, the Health Commissioner made it clear that this is contingent on an ongoing effort to test students. They delivered 20,000 tests to Lakewood after Yom Tov to help assist with the testing efforts. Matzav.com was told that the rate continues to drop rapidly, as expected.

By law, Matzav.com was told by askanim, Governor Murphy had the power to close down the Lakewood mosdos before Yom Tov but chose not to copy his New York counterpart, Governor Andrew Cuomo, thanks to a with him relationship cultivated by hardworking askanim.

“In summation, if we do not comply with their request to test, they will shut us down so long as there are positive cases in Lakewood,” an askan told Matzav.com.

The difference between Cuomo and Murphy is astounding.

Cuomo - no benchmark, no rush to reopen, no working with community leaders, no tolerance for das Jews
Murphy - high benchmark, no rush to close, works with leaders, lots of tolerance for Yidden
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2428 on: October 19, 2020, 07:10:08 PM »
https://matzav.com/lakewood-mosdos-if-we-dont-test-the-governor-will-shut-us-down/

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy released a “Road to Recovery” plan in June as a guide for the opening of the State of New Jersey during the Covid-19 period. In that plan there were clear benchmarks with regards to what warrants shutting down schools and businesses. The benchmark that determines if a community is in a “pandemic” phase is when 20% of tests taken, produce positive results. Lakewood, NJ was at 29% before Yom Tov. The governor’s office was contemplating closing down Lakewood and reached out to the askanim in Lakewood.

In response to this, the Igud Rabbonim and Igud Mosdos in Lakewood sent out a message asking everyone without symptoms to test. This had the intended results and brought the rate down to 14% by Isru Chag. This was enough of a change that the governor backed off and was willing to allow the mosdos to stay open. However, the Health Commissioner made it clear that this is contingent on an ongoing effort to test students. They delivered 20,000 tests to Lakewood after Yom Tov to help assist with the testing efforts. Matzav.com was told that the rate continues to drop rapidly, as expected.

Bikur Cholim and Chemed are both recognized by the state as valid testing agents. Bikur Cholim uses a company called Vault medical Services. Chemed does not administer a saliva test, which is why many yeshivos have opted to go with Bikur Cholim.

By law, Matzav.com was told by askanim, Governor Murphy had the power to close down the Lakewood mosdos before Yom Tov but chose not to copy his New York counterpart, Governor Andrew Cuomo, thanks to a with him relationship cultivated by hardworking askanim.

“In summation, if we do not comply with their request to test, they will shut us down so long as there are positive cases in Lakewood,” an askan told Matzav.com.

In the past week since Yom Tov, there have been approximately 500 positive cases in Lakewood. This was a result of symptomatic people who have been going to doctors. While this number is lower than it was during Yom Tov, it is still high enough to warrant government intervention. It is hoped – and expected, according to activists who Matzav.com spoke to – that the positivity rate will continue to decline in Lakewood and mosdos will remain open.

Yup, this is exactly what Avi Schnall's response was to that Rabbi Smith. Wasn't able to get the audios up here.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2429 on: October 19, 2020, 07:36:51 PM »
Is chemed still doing tip of the nose tests?
I got yesterday from chemed west (in westgate- it might have another name)

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2430 on: October 19, 2020, 08:34:30 PM »
Yup, this is exactly what Avi Schnall's response was to that Rabbi Smith. Wasn't able to get the audios up here.

Rabbi Smith’s rambling rants shouldn’t warrant a response
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2431 on: October 19, 2020, 08:41:35 PM »
Rabbi Smith’s rambling rants shouldn’t warrant a response
You have no idea how many people forwarded it to me in WhatsApp groups. It's unbelievable how many people don't seem to realize that's the guy is not talking any sense...

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2432 on: October 19, 2020, 08:45:08 PM »
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2433 on: October 19, 2020, 08:55:30 PM »

now lets see if anyone is actually going to keep these regulations

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2434 on: October 19, 2020, 09:52:39 PM »
You have no idea how many people forwarded it to me in WhatsApp groups. It's unbelievable how many people don't seem to realize that's the guy is not talking any sense...
It was being forwarded to countless WhatsApp group so some people reached out to Rabbi Schnall to ask for a message that could be passed around.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2435 on: October 19, 2020, 09:58:57 PM »
I got yesterday from chemed west (in westgate- it might have another name)
You might be able to try the BMG chemed mobile test site. They seem to want it to be exclusively for students but it should be fine to go during less busy hours ( 3pm??? )

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2436 on: October 19, 2020, 10:59:17 PM »
You might be able to try the BMG chemed mobile test site. They seem to want it to be exclusively for students but it should be fine to go during less busy hours ( 3pm??? )
Is it tip or back of the nose?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2437 on: October 19, 2020, 11:19:22 PM »
Is it tip or back of the nose?
From what i understand its no big deal. They don’t go into your brain

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2438 on: October 20, 2020, 05:21:17 AM »
Yup, this is exactly what Avi Schnall's response was to that Rabbi Smith. Wasn't able to get the audios up here.
Rabbi Smith’s rambling rants shouldn’t warrant a response
He is not a Rabbi (not in the "no true Scotsman" sense, he just is simply not a Rabbi).
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #2439 on: October 20, 2020, 07:12:01 AM »
He is not a Rabbi (not in the "no true Scotsman" sense, he just is simply not a Rabbi).

I'm not sure about that...
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