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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3140 on: January 26, 2021, 05:55:24 PM »
And another young person who I know personally in serious condition.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3141 on: January 26, 2021, 05:58:33 PM »
And another young person who I know personally in serious condition.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3142 on: January 26, 2021, 05:59:04 PM »
And another young person who I know personally in serious condition.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3143 on: January 26, 2021, 07:05:10 PM »
In Chai UC for a test, 5 people ahead of me from the start, its been an hour and counting. Last time I was here it took 2 minutes (in the tent.)

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3144 on: January 26, 2021, 07:06:28 PM »
Not looking to get involved but it seems obvious that the bar should be set a little higher for statements that if taken at face value can result in illness or even death vs a statement that even if fabricated out of thin air will have zero real world repercussions.

Ok granted. Although, I still don't think fabricated statements such as this one that has been debunked,

There are dozens *currently* in the hospital in serious condition.

should be let off scott free either. You can't give one person free rein to espouse falsehoods (not accusing anyone specifically) while the other has to meticulously provide proof for all theirs, even if the types of statements may have different ramifications (or some have no ramifications at all). There needs to be some kind of honesty and equity here.

Just my opinion and you as well as others are entitled to theirs as well.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3145 on: January 26, 2021, 08:13:49 PM »
Ok granted. Although, I still don't think fabricated statements such as this one that has been debunked,
Lies.
should be let off scott free either.
Why, though? How does this claim make a difference in the discourse, and what does it affect? It’s more a feeling than anything else but I believe it to be a fact. Regardless, asking for a source for every irrelevant claim is time consuming and unenjoyable. If you don’t see the difference, I can’t help.
You can't give one person free rein to espouse falsehoods (not accusing anyone specifically) while the other has to meticulously provide proof for all theirs, even if the types of statements may have different ramifications (or some have no ramifications at all). There needs to be some kind of honesty and equity here.
Someone tried to use a false claim which was responded to and debunked as a cudgel and an argument. If the person would like to continue with this argument they then need to defend themself from that accusation with a source (which is, of course, impossible, as it was a lie).

I made a claim which is seemingly obvious on its face (I, PlatinumGuy, and Lurker have been called “contrarian” many times, I can try to provide quotes if you’d like) and it’s plainly obvious to me that the majority of posters here throughout the COVID era are more in the anti camp. It’s nearly impossible for me to quantify it so if you have evidence that refutes it I might back off of but I’m not using it as a cudgel so I hardly see how this is an argument.

Is this truly the hill  you want to die on? That I did not provide a source for my assertion that
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3146 on: January 26, 2021, 08:16:53 PM »
Lies.

It's your word against multiple other posters

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3147 on: January 26, 2021, 08:19:28 PM »
It's your word against multiple other posters
I see the original quote I responded to appears to have since been changed.

As to the quote currently referenced: The assertion I made was after a conversation with a hospital member in town. Two posters disagreed- one qualified their statement with an AFAIK, and instead of dozens they said “under 20”, a difference for sure but within shouting distance of my assertion.

The other has been shown to have lied in the very next post and just about retracted their assertion after the second poster’s claim.

I will see if I can provide a source for what I said, but even if not, I’m comfortable backing down and going with the “under 20” number to continue this discussion (even though as far as I’m aware they are incorrect).
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3148 on: January 26, 2021, 08:29:24 PM »
This needs to work both ways. Either you require each person to defend their statements all the time, or if you choose sometimes yes to and sometimes not to then set that as the expectation. For example:

(I'm not looking to be stoned here), but I've politely called out your below statement as its incorrect but you chose not to respond to it,

which is your call. Its fine by me, but then don't expect others to always come with proofs either. Playing field needs to be level - if you can ignore sometimes then so can others.

That doesn't mean I agree that what was originally written is true or correct but just like you can continue to let your incorrect statement stand without defending it, then so can theirs.
Equally important in demanding a source is relevance to the conversation, something DDF is not known for ;D
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3149 on: January 26, 2021, 08:38:00 PM »
The prevailing opinion here was far to the right of @S209 (towards covid is a fiction) IMHO, at least until very recently. The only way to prove it conclusively would be to analyze every post here.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3150 on: January 26, 2021, 08:43:37 PM »
The prevailing opinion here was far to the right of @S209 (towards covid is a fiction) IMHO, at least until very recently. The only way to prove it conclusively would be to analyze every post here.
A quick read through this thread from the beginning with an open mind should be enough.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3151 on: January 26, 2021, 10:23:43 PM »
Lurker
Everything ok with @Lurker?
Haven't heard from him in a while.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3152 on: January 26, 2021, 10:31:17 PM »
Everything ok with @Lurker?
Haven't heard from him in a while.
I've been wondering for a while, and just a few hours ago checked and was relieved to see he was last online a week ago.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3153 on: January 26, 2021, 10:32:30 PM »
Everything ok with @Lurker?
Haven't heard from him in a while.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3154 on: January 27, 2021, 12:23:34 AM »
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3155 on: January 27, 2021, 12:26:25 AM »
Everything ok with @Lurker?
Haven't heard from him in a while.
I thought that what your expedition to Miami was. Search and rescue.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3156 on: January 27, 2021, 09:49:47 AM »
And another young person who I know personally in serious condition.
He has one of the new variants and has been hospitalized on oxygen for a few days without improvement.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3157 on: January 27, 2021, 07:46:14 PM »
My wife was told by a local Dr that each week there are 20-30 women between 25-40 who are getting hospitalized in critical condition lately.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3158 on: January 27, 2021, 07:50:03 PM »
My wife was told by a local Dr that each week there are 20-30 women between 25-40 who are getting hospitalized in critical condition lately.

Is this a joke? because I think it's very likely untrue.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3159 on: January 27, 2021, 07:51:53 PM »
Is this a joke? because I think it's very likely untrue.
It is absolutely true that the Dr told this to my wife and was being serious.
Feelings don't care about your facts