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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3300 on: January 29, 2021, 03:11:41 PM »
The professionals still seem confused on masking, schools and lockdowns In general so I find your statement that we know so much about it to be very interesting.
I just saw that the WHO said today, there’s no need to wear a mask, but Dr Grouchy says we needa wear 2.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3301 on: January 29, 2021, 03:12:46 PM »
The professionals still seem confused on masking, schools and lockdowns In general so I find your statement that we know so much about it to be very interesting.
Don't confuse politicians with science.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3302 on: January 29, 2021, 03:14:54 PM »
Don't confuse politicians with science.
LOL we're long passed that point. I'm shocked people actually are going to doctors anymore at all.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3303 on: January 29, 2021, 03:15:28 PM »
Don't confuse politicians with science.
Its impossible to know who’s is who these days

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3304 on: January 29, 2021, 03:15:42 PM »
Don't confuse politicians with science.

Which category does Fauci belong to?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3305 on: January 29, 2021, 03:16:44 PM »
Its impossible to know who’s is who these days
Is it really? I guess if you listen to hock too much.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3306 on: January 29, 2021, 03:18:03 PM »
Is it really? I guess if you listen to hock too much.
Can I ask where you get your facts from?
I don’t really get my news from anywhere these days to be honest

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3307 on: January 29, 2021, 03:18:54 PM »
Can I ask where you get your facts from?
I don’t really get my news from anywhere these days to be honest
Filter through everything you read. Try to act like Reb Meir. It's usually pretty easy to discern when something is fake/biased/missing facts.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3308 on: January 29, 2021, 03:22:15 PM »
99%? Of course, human behavior bears responsibility (perhaps a large part) but I wouldn't put it as high as 99%. And I will not purport to have an accurate percentage. The virus behavior bears more than just 1% responsibility.
It's easy to prove. 1/4 of the world doesn't have any Covid problems now! The other 3/4 botched it up. Rightly or wrongly so, this was created by humans.

לְבַד רְאֵה זֶה מָצָאתִי אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה הָאֱלֹוקים אֶת הָאָדָם יָשָׁר וְהֵמָּה בִקְשׁוּ חִשְּׁבֹנוֹת רַבִּים.

Its impossible to know who’s is who these days
I'm sorry but it's not impossible. Niche and malicious opinions/alternate facts are getting more amplified than ever nowadays, but it's still possible to sift through it. It does take effort, and it is a failure on a communal level that information isn't provided more accurately.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3309 on: January 29, 2021, 03:22:52 PM »
Filter through everything you read. Try to act like Reb Meir. It's usually pretty easy to discern when something is fake/biased/missing facts.
These days the only Covid news I get is from here
Having a hard time filtering 🙄

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3310 on: January 29, 2021, 03:26:50 PM »
It's easy to prove. 1/4 of the world doesn't have any Covid problems now! The other 3/4 botched it up. Rightly or wrongly so, this was created by humans.

לְבַד רְאֵה זֶה מָצָאתִי אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה הָאֱלֹוקים אֶת הָאָדָם יָשָׁר וְהֵמָּה בִקְשׁוּ חִשְּׁבֹנוֹת רַבִּים.
I'm sorry but it's not impossible. Niche and malicious opinions/alternate facts are getting more amplified than ever nowadays, but it's still possible to sift through it. It does take effort, and it is a failure on a communal level that information isn't provided more accurately.
So far I only filter out those that feel like they’re on the level to talk down to rabbanim and manhigim

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3311 on: January 29, 2021, 03:28:00 PM »
Its impossible to know who’s is who these days
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1354927714948554754

Great analogies.

So far I only filter out those that feel like they’re on the level to talk down to rabbanim and manhigim
Great, now improve your filter so you judge reality and facts on their merits and not the messenger who says them.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3312 on: January 29, 2021, 03:29:32 PM »
My chinuch is that the messenger plays a big part.
We seem to have been brought up very differently

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3313 on: January 29, 2021, 03:31:10 PM »
My chinuch is that the messenger plays a big part.
We seem to have been brought up very differently
That depends on what the messenger is saying. If I tell you it's 3:30pm in NY now it's as true as Stalin saying it.

The problem is you're saying you should believe it's 5pm if the right messenger tells you so, and that's absurd and contrary to the torah.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3314 on: January 29, 2021, 03:40:24 PM »
That depends on what the messenger is saying. If I tell you it's 3:30pm in NY now it's as true as Stalin saying it.

The problem is you're saying you should believe it's 5pm if the right messenger tells you so, and that's absurd and contrary to the torah.
Um, which Torah do you have?
Even if They say the right is left .....
I repeat, we were definitely brought up differently


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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3315 on: January 29, 2021, 03:42:51 PM »
Guys, we can't have 15 different threads (with some of the same protagonists) arguing about the same thing. Let's keep it centralized plz thx bye.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3316 on: January 29, 2021, 03:44:20 PM »
Even if They say the right is left .....
I repeat, we were definitely brought up differently
See appropriate thread. NOBODY PASKENS LIKE THAT. You are absolutely not supposed to follow a Rabbi who directs you to do something you know is wrong, as the Rambam and all others say explicitly, and people have been duly punished throughout history for following directives from actual gedolim, from קרח and on.

Those who brought you up so did so out of fear you would question them if you question others. It is not the correct way. Life is an obstacle course, and one of those obstacles is judging facts to ascertain if they are true, false, or inconclusive, however hard that may be for you.

This is all true whether I'm an idiot shaygetz or not.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3317 on: January 29, 2021, 03:45:03 PM »
Maybe mods should move the last few posts to the appropriate JS questioning Rabbonim thread
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3318 on: January 29, 2021, 03:53:02 PM »
It's easy to prove. 1/4 of the world doesn't have any Covid problems now! The other 3/4 botched it up. Rightly or wrongly so, this was created by humans.

Doesn't prove 99%. Does prove that it plays a large part like I said.

So we agree that human behavior plays an important role, does the exact percentage really matter? No, I just don't think its as high as 99%, but you are of course entitled to believe it is so and we can agree to disagree.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3319 on: January 29, 2021, 04:04:42 PM »
Doesn't prove 99%. Does prove that it plays a large part like I said.

So we agree that human behavior plays an important role, does the exact percentage really matter? No, I just don't think its as high as 99%, but you are of course entitled to believe it is so and we can agree to disagree.
1/4 of the world has no problem. 3/4 of the world has a problem. We know enough to know the difference is behavioral - from the historical regime style through the current leadership to the individual behavior.

It may have been accidental or justified, be we did it to ourselves
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