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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3400 on: February 04, 2021, 02:16:48 PM »
Sigh. After all "masks aren't protecting you from COVID, they're about protecting others", so that means if I have COVID the mask will protect grandma when I visit her....
*pushes 2 month old cloth mask back up from his chin to help grandma to the table*
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3401 on: February 04, 2021, 02:20:09 PM »
*pushes 2 month old cloth mask back up from his chinover his mouth to help grandma to the table*

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3402 on: February 04, 2021, 04:34:44 PM »
Like visiting but no real kissing or hugging grandparents that have not yet had covid. Standing far from immunocompromised relatives etc.
So...this means sitting in the same room as them without masks, probably even eating meals together, right?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3403 on: February 04, 2021, 06:38:37 PM »
So...this means sitting in the same room as them without masks, probably even eating meals together, right?
yes. so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3404 on: February 04, 2021, 07:06:07 PM »
yes. so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.
People do not realize the effect of being alone/not interactive, for long periods, has on older people especially.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3405 on: February 04, 2021, 07:07:15 PM »
People do not realize the effect of being alone/not interactive, for long periods, has on older people especially.
Source?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3406 on: February 04, 2021, 07:08:47 PM »

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3407 on: February 04, 2021, 07:15:46 PM »

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3408 on: February 04, 2021, 07:25:07 PM »
You joking?
He's just disputing the assertion that people don't realize, I think.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3409 on: February 04, 2021, 07:26:35 PM »
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3410 on: February 04, 2021, 07:28:13 PM »

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3411 on: February 04, 2021, 07:45:47 PM »
Your point?
This all a classic straw man fallacy attempting to paint it as no restrictions VS total lockdown which necessitates that each side isn’t aware of the repercussions (even if your personal position is more balanced). Plenty of people are well aware of all the repercussions and still act how they do.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3412 on: February 04, 2021, 07:49:06 PM »
This all a classic straw man fallacy attempting to paint it as no restrictions VS total lockdown which necessitates that each side isn’t aware of the repercussions (even if your personal position is more balanced). Plenty of people are well aware of all the repercussions and still act how they do.
Was more of a vent in agreement with @Mordyk due to personal experience. He wasn't advocating no restrictions, just balance.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3413 on: February 04, 2021, 07:59:41 PM »
People do not realize the effect of being alone/not interactive, for long periods, has on older people especially.
To be clear, are you saying masks would cause this?
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3414 on: February 04, 2021, 08:04:30 PM »
Was more of a vent in agreement with @Mordyk due to personal experience. He wasn't advocating no restrictions, just balance.
And those arguing with him weren't arguing for total shutdown, only for a better balance
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3415 on: February 04, 2021, 08:07:20 PM »
To be clear, are you saying masks would cause this?
Just checked back to see what you're referencing. I was not referring to masks just to
so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3416 on: February 04, 2021, 08:08:33 PM »
And those arguing with him weren't arguing for total shutdown, only for a better balance
I hadn't been following the argument, just was agreeing with the sentiment in that post.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3417 on: February 04, 2021, 08:08:46 PM »
yes. so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.

This is all good and well... Until you test positive for Covid, and then you need to stay away at all costs. Had you not gotten the test, you would continue visiting the elderly and at risk, and the precautions wouldn't be sufficient. The test could prevent you from infecting someone, that should be a massive relief.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3418 on: February 04, 2021, 08:10:17 PM »
that should be a massive relief.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3419 on: February 04, 2021, 08:12:45 PM »
I hadn't been following the argument, just was agreeing with the sentiment that post.

I agree with the sentiment, too. It's great. What those precautions are and how much you're willing to sacrifice in order to keep your grandparents in your life... that's where things get dicey. Wearing a crappy mask around your chin while eating a snack in Bubby's kitchen after having danced at a different chasuna every day that week isn't doing Bubby any favors.
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