Lakewood covid cases

[chinagel]

I agree with the sentiment, too. It's great. What those precautions are and how much you're willing to sacrifice in order to keep your grandparents in your life... that's where things get dicey. Wearing a crappy mask around your chin while eating a snack in Bubby's kitchen after having danced at a different chasuna every day that week isn't doing Bubby any favors.

Yet not spending significant time with them is a surefire recipe for degenerative decline.

[Yehuda57]

Yet not spending significant time with them is a surefire recipe for degenerative decline.

You do realize this whole conversation is taking about *after* someone tested positive for Covid?

[Lurker]

Yet not spending significant time with them is a surefire recipe for degenerative decline.

100%. So if that's a priority for you, maybe don't go to weddings. Having your cake and eating it isn't really an option.

*you doesn't mean *you*

[chinagel]

You do realize this whole conversation is taking about *after* someone tested positive for Covid?

No. It started that way, but I don't believe

yes. so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.

was meant after testing positive. Especially with the "few years" in there.

[chinagel]

100%. So if that's a priority for you, maybe don't go to weddings. Having your cake and eating it isn't really an option.

*you doesn't mean *you*

What does that mean?

[Lurker]

What does that mean?

It means that we change how we live when we have kids because they become our priority. During a pandemic, if having our elderly and higher risk family members in our lives is important to us (as it should be), other things need to be sacrificed. We can't do whatever we want and then put our elderly at risk because we don't want them to be lonely.

[Yehuda57]

No. It started that way, but I don't believe was meant after testing positive. Especially with the "few years" in there.

Exactly. It started one way and then was switched to a completely different scenario. So now people who said, "hold up, if you've tested positive, don't be visiting grandma" are made to look like they're saying "never visit grandma, ever".

That's an extremely dishonest way to have a discussion, and chiming in in the middle of that to speak about degenerative decline based on positions no one actually took is equally dishonest.

[Mordyk]

And those arguing with him weren't arguing for total shutdown, only for a better balance

Well,  better balance is up for discussion.   I'm trying to be reasonable and find my own responsible balance. I think I'm taking quality of life a notch up from you. But I respect your opinions because I don't think k there is a right or wrong here.

No. It started that way, but I don't believe was meant after testing positive. Especially with the "few years" in there.

Not sure what you mean. Just to clarify my stance.  All I said was feeling fine, go to grandma with precautions.  Obviously once we got a positive then grandma (and the rest of the world) is off limits until further notice.    And I had a seperate issue with testing testing no reason.  Thats all

[yelped]

Well,  better balance is up for discussion.   I'm trying to be reasonable and find my own responsible balance. I think I'm taking quality of life a notch up from you. But I respect your opinions because I don't think k there is a right or wrong here.
Not sure what you mean. Just to clarify my stance.  All I said was feeling fine, go to grandma with precautions.  Obviously once we got a positive then grandma (and the rest of the world) is off limits until further notice.    And I had a seperate issue with testing testing no reason.  Thats all

What is the issue with testing? Testing just saved you from going to your Bubby and infecting her.

[PlatinumGuy]

What is the issue with testing? Testing just saved you from going to your Bubby and infecting her.

'Unnecessary'

[yuneeq]

Gonna chime in with my own experience. We finally made it to Brooklyn and visited my wife’s grandparents first time all year. We decided to be extra careful, despite the fact that we’ve been more careful than almost anyone around us, and never been knowingly exposed. But just to be extra cautious (and that’s the way I truly felt, as if it was basically unnecessary), we visited one outside, and the other 15 feet away with a mask. Turns out we developed symptoms within 48 hours and I easily could’ve killed one of them that’s immune compromised. I know I would’ve been at fault and could never forgive myself. 

[yitzgar]

Gonna chime in with my own experience. We finally made it to Brooklyn and visited my wife’s grandparents first time all year. We decided to be extra careful, despite the fact that we’ve been more careful than almost anyone around us, and never been knowingly exposed. But just to be extra cautious (and that’s the way I truly felt, as if it was basically unnecessary), we visited one outside, and the other 15 feet away with a mask. Turns out we developed symptoms within 48 hours and I easily could’ve killed one of them that’s immune compromised. I know I would’ve been at fault and could never forgive myself.

Wow

[skyguy918]

yes. so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.

I just want to point out something that should be obvious. A person who in normal times makes sure to be present in the lives of their elderly relatives, and takes covid very seriously, isn't going to suddenly cut off all contact (dismiss them from their lives for a few years, as you put it). They'll call more, find ways to interact in person as safely as they can, etc. If someone uses covid as an excuse to lessen their interactions with elderly relatives, they probably weren't doing much interaction before covid to begin with.

[flyingace]

I just want to point out something that should be obvious. A person who in normal times makes sure to be present in the lives of their elderly relatives, and takes covid very seriously, isn't going to suddenly cut off all contact (dismiss them from their lives for a few years, as you put it). They'll call more, find ways to interact in person as safely as they can, etc. If someone uses covid as an excuse to lessen their interactions with elderly relatives, they probably weren't doing much interaction before covid to begin with.

There is still a noticeable decline in very old people due to the lack of socialization, such as: not going to minyan, not having Shabbos sleepover company, and yes, not being touched, kissed, and hugged. That being said, it's better to be alive!

[Ergel]

yes. so we don't dismiss our grandparents from our lives for a few years. Rather we take some precautions and then leave the rest to Hashem.

I don't have any issue with that (I myself visited my parents with my kids). I'm just saying, if that's the case - then why wouldn't you want to know that one of you is positive to avoid infecting grandparents?

[Mordyk]

I don't have any issue with that (I myself visited my parents with my kids). I'm just saying, if that's the case - then why wouldn't you want to know that one of you is positive to avoid infecting grandparents?

Then why don't we all test every morning just in case?

[Mordyk]

There is still a noticeable decline in very old people due to the lack of socialization, such as: not going to minyan, not having Shabbos sleepover company, and yes, not being touched, kissed, and hugged. That being said, it's better to be alive!

See what I wrote some time ago.

We recently had a family kiddush and when we asked my grandmother that is mid 70s to consider not coming she said she is not going back to lockdown. She is single and quarantine really messed with her psychological health. So she would rather be around than be locked up and healthy.  Which is very sad and we can't judge.

[Lurker]

Then why don't we all test every morning just in case?

If you're in high-risk situations every day, testing a couple times a week isn't a horrible idea.

[AsherO]

If you're in high-risk situations every day, testing a couple times a week isn't a horrible idea.

How often do medical staff in COVID wards test? They probably all already have COVID and/or vaccination in any case.

[Lurker]

How often do medical staff in COVID wards test? They probably all already have COVID and/or vaccination in any case.

I'm not sure, but IIRC it was pretty regularly. And those are people who have full PPE and are trained in proper PPE use.