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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3720 on: February 14, 2021, 08:43:35 AM »
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יֶשְׁנוֹ עַם אֶחָד מְפֻזָּר וּמְפֹרָד בֵּין הָעַמִּים בְּכֹל מְדִינוֹת מַלְכוּתֶךָ וְדָתֵיהֶם
שֹׁנוֹת מִכָּל עָם וְאֶת דָּתֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ אֵינָם עֹשִׂים וְלַמֶּלֶךְ אֵין שֹׁוֶה לְהַנִּיחָם

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3721 on: February 14, 2021, 09:22:01 AM »
This is false!! The nursing homes and everyone knew how contagious it was (remember the whole country was shut down March to June no school ring a bell??) and nursing homes didnt want the COVID patients back from the hospitals!

If it kills their other patients it ruins their reputations and dries up their revenues (they get paid per day)!! Cuomo insisted they accept these patients back from hospitals and the expected happened it spread in nursing homes more than anywhere.


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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3722 on: February 14, 2021, 09:33:34 AM »
There are some reasons why frum Jews sometimes have a harder time abiding by COVID restrictions than the average non-Jew, and its not disregard for others.

These include
larger family size unit / larger extended family / more involvement with that extended family / eg stronger involvement between grandparents and grandchildren
less complete trust in science and a belief in G-d/ fate
less media consumption
greater level of social interaction with community
a culture that celebrates life events as a community
stronger allegiance to president Trump who was a COVID denier/minimizer
a conviction that doing the right thing religiously will protect them from a bad outcome (sometimes misapplied).
fewer forms of acceptable/permitted entertainment/distraction, that can make the isolation more tolerable
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3723 on: February 14, 2021, 09:39:36 AM »
Can someone verify this before rumors run rampant?

If someone with access could nail down an accurate number, I'd be very grateful.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3724 on: February 14, 2021, 10:09:36 AM »
This is false!! The nursing homes and everyone knew how contagious it was (remember the whole country was shut down March to June no school ring a bell??) and nursing homes didnt want the COVID patients back from the hospitals!

If it kills their other patients it ruins their reputations and dries up their revenues (they get paid per day)!! Cuomo insisted they accept these patients back from hospitals and the expected happened it spread in nursing homes more than anywhere.
Of course this is 100% false. As someone in the business, I could tell you first hand how we fought it tooth and nail. I could show you dozens of my emails, recorded phone calls, team meetings and communication to the state, associations, attorneys, residents, families, and even news organizations. We saw where this was going and the potential damage. And we suspected that WE would be held responsible for it and therefore made every effort to document everything I did to show we protested it. But haters will be haters. No point in really responding here.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3725 on: February 14, 2021, 10:11:27 AM »
Step 1:
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יֶשְׁנוֹ עַם אֶחָד מְפֻזָּר וּמְפֹרָד בֵּין הָעַמִּים בְּכֹל מְדִינוֹת מַלְכוּתֶךָ וְדָתֵיהֶם
שֹׁנוֹת מִכָּל עָם וְאֶת דָּתֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ אֵינָם עֹשִׂים וְלַמֶּלֶךְ אֵין שֹׁוֶה לְהַנִּיחָם

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3726 on: February 14, 2021, 10:13:37 AM »
To be clear, I wasn't agreeing with the tweet. Exactly the opposite! I was pointing out how absurdly anti Semitic and ludicrous it was.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3727 on: February 14, 2021, 10:15:20 AM »
To be clear, I wasn't agreeing with the tweet. Exactly the opposite! I was pointing out how absurdly anti Semitic and ludicrous it was.
I think that was obvious from your choice of quoting Haman as your source...

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3728 on: February 14, 2021, 10:24:45 AM »
I was just reading through the thread, its quite popcorn worthy, and i came across this post,
Yeah I just didn't wanna be the guy to say it...

The CDC says 10 days but explicitly says 14 days is ideal and the only reason they say 10 is bc people wouldn't listen Imagine if one was told meat isn't really Kosher but they can be meikel because people won't listen if they say it's assur... Endangering people is infinitely worse than eating trief.
I know it doesnt really come in to the discussion but the gemara actually does say that meat would be assur after the churabn if not for the fact that its a gzeira she'ain hatzibur yecholim laamod bo, meaning people wouldnt listen. just thought i would point that out

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3729 on: February 14, 2021, 10:29:57 AM »
I think I am fairly well aware of your opinions insofar as you disclose them here that we should be more Covid cautious, particularly with weddings, and I respect them.

The opinion of yours which I think blinded you in misreading my original post was your belief that bias proves error. It seems to me you often think proving somebody is biased is proving they're wrong, whereas it doesn't actually prove that.
 
Then indeed I failed to understand what you mean by false absolutes, and googling the term didn't help.
The bias leads to misinterpreting events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologist%27s_fallacy
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3730 on: February 14, 2021, 10:32:33 AM »
I was just reading through the thread, its quite popcorn worthy, and i came across this post,I know it doesnt really come in to the discussion but the gemara actually does say that meat would be assur after the churabn if not for the fact that its a gzeira she'ain hatzibur yecholim laamod bo, meaning people wouldnt listen. just thought i would point that out
That would only apply regarding creating a new rule and not when a pre-existing rule already applies.
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3731 on: February 14, 2021, 11:45:45 AM »
Anyone know were I can get a PCR covid test within 72 hours of travel in Lakewood ?

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3732 on: February 14, 2021, 12:19:53 PM »
Anyone know were I can get a PCR covid test within 72 hours of travel in Lakewood ?
In my experience, Friendly, Chai and MyCare all returned results within 72 hours.  But obviously, past performance is not a guarantee of future results.
Google Sheet with Lakewood Covid numbers in profile for those interested.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3733 on: February 14, 2021, 01:13:26 PM »
Anyone know were I can get a PCR covid test within 72 hours of travel in Lakewood ?
If you are a patient of theirs, Dr. Preschel has rapid PCR tests.

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Re: Lakewood covid cases
« Reply #3734 on: February 14, 2021, 01:23:21 PM »
The bias leads to misinterpreting events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologist%27s_fallacy
I am well aware and don't argue with it, but it doesn't mean every event will be misrepresented, so proving bias doesn't prove error.
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