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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2020, 10:07:30 PM »
Heard of Staten Island?
Wasnt it at first only a specific group moving there + its next door to BP, they utilize all its services.

It can be faster to go from SI to BP then from one side of Lakewood to the other.

I would not consider that a totally new community.
Always praying for delayed baggage.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2020, 11:23:00 PM »
Is it really feasible to find 2500 families to pick up and move somewhere where they need to fly to see the rest of their families? Every Simcha , a flight? Siblings wedding up to a dozen tickets?

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2020, 11:44:43 PM »
Is it really feasible to find 2500 families to pick up and move somewhere where they need to fly to see the rest of their families? Every Simcha , a flight? Siblings wedding up to a dozen tickets?
I believe 2500 is a fantasy

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2020, 01:13:38 AM »
LOL, you're comparing Gibbers to KJ?
No, Gibbers was a failure till now. But has potential now that there is a rebbi.

And KJ was also a failure in the beginning, everything takes time.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2020, 08:17:27 AM »

All these communities have their 100-150 families and that's where it ended.

I don't know about the others, but Bloomingburg is over 200 and growing. The reason it hasn't been growing quicker is because of the legal troubles...

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2020, 02:34:50 PM »
Wasnt it at first only a specific group moving there + its next door to BP, they utilize all its services.

It can be faster to go from SI to BP then from one side of Lakewood to the other.

I would not consider that a totally new community.
Was never for a specific group.
Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2020, 02:39:35 PM »


Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument
In your opinion.
It's similar to ppl from Lakewood moving to areas such as royal grove in TR.

SI is NYC and ppl there utilized all its services at one time or another. So it's not like a totally new independent community but more like an extension of of BP...

Always praying for delayed baggage.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2020, 02:40:05 PM »
Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument
IIUC He was saying that it's not truly a new community, but rather a sorta expansion of BP. So, therefore, Willowbrook is not really relevant to a discussion about brand new communities, which by large have only been successful with single chassiduses.
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2020, 04:02:28 PM »
I believe 2500 is a fantasy
See whats going on in orlando since start of covid.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2020, 04:06:15 PM »
ive found that most successful communities were built around a yeshiva
Monsey had BME
Lakewood had BMG
KJ had the Satmar yeshivah
to a lesser extent even Cleveland had Telz

in general Litvaks that move out only need a BM to keep the community feel together while chasidim(x lubavitch) must have a spiritual guide. without one it becomes a more bummy atmosphere with little hope of expansion.
The best of both worlds is when the litvaks build a strong torah foundation and then the chasidim come in and add the chesed infrastructures and commerce....

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2020, 05:20:35 PM »
the communities that succeeded after WW2 are places that had a good leader, a Rebbi or a Rosh Yeshiva, all others went מטה מטה. AFAIK.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2020, 05:59:29 PM »
In your opinion.
It's similar to ppl from Lakewood moving to areas such as royal grove in TR.

SI is NYC and ppl there utilized all its services at one time or another. So it's not like a totally new independent community but more like an extension of of BP...
From a chusids point of view Staten Island is just as new as a community as Tampa or whatever it may be. Obviously SI has the benefit of proximity just as Tampa Iím sure has its own benefits. What I meant to bring out is that SI -for the chasidim- are a complete new community and was a complete success without any Rebbe or the likes.
From what I know having Young Israel there  didnít help out an iota.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2020, 06:10:45 PM »
From a chusids point of view Staten Island is just as new as a community as Tampa or whatever it may be. Obviously SI has the benefit of proximity just as Tampa Iím sure has its own benefits. What I meant to bring out is that SI -for the chasidim- are a complete new community and was a complete success without any Rebbe or the likes.
From what I know having Young Israel there  didnít help out an iota.
It wasn't a strictly YI community before the chassidim moved in took over either. There was always a pretty nice mix.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2020, 09:34:15 PM »
It wasn't a strictly YI community before the chassidim moved in took over either. There was always a pretty nice mix.
Whatever mix it was, it was exotic for the chasidim and a new chasidish development.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2020, 09:18:55 AM »
No way in the world can you compare Staten island to Tampa

Staten island is a success, but

It relies on education from BP
It's  relies on grocery / shopping from BP
It's within short driving distance to family
Local government programs and politics are extremely known

Tampa has none of that
« Last Edit: July 21, 2020, 09:24:58 AM by mgarfin »