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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2020, 09:32:09 AM »
On the discussion for the need of a Chasidus or a Ruv

A Chasidus can bring together people a different stages in there observance (for the lack of a better word)
In a Satmer cheder You have an extreme broad mixture of people.
That may not be obvious on the outside.

One of the biggest obstacles a new community faces is education. If it's attracts a very liberal crowd and the school is formed around that. Maybe come very hard to bring in frumer families. And the same around if it's is established around kollel guy's, working liberal guys may not want to move in.


A Chasidus for a dominant strong ruv can set a balance and allow people from all walks of life feel comfortable joining.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2020, 09:37:04 AM »
I didn't say all were successful but did say the ones that were had that component to it.

Also, how do you define success?
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2020, 10:54:40 AM »
From a chusids point of view Staten Island is just as new as a community as Tampa or whatever it may be. Obviously SI has the benefit of proximity just as Tampa Iím sure has its own benefits. What I meant to bring out is that SI -for the chasidim- are a complete new community and was a complete success without any Rebbe or the likes.
From what I know having Young Israel there  didnít help out an iota.

Rabbi Pollack is an established rav there for 40+ years. A chasidishe rav

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2020, 10:57:29 AM »
Rabbi Pollack is an established rav there for 40+ years. A chasidishe rav
the Rav and his son the Rosh Kollel were very instrumental in making the new community a success.
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2020, 03:52:02 PM »
No way in the world can you compare Staten island to Tampa

Staten island is a success, but

It relies on education from BP
It's  relies on grocery / shopping from BP
It's within short driving distance to family
Local government programs and politics are extremely known

Tampa has none of that

Absolutely these are exactly the strengths of SI. On the flip side a house in Tampa I would guess estimate is a 5th of the price if not more..

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2020, 07:08:03 PM »
On the discussion for the need of a Chasidus or a Ruv

A Chasidus can bring together people a different stages in there observance (for the lack of a better word)
In a Satmer cheder You have an extreme broad mixture of people.
That may not be obvious on the outside.

One of the biggest obstacles a new community faces is education. If it's attracts a very liberal crowd and the school is formed around that. Maybe come very hard to bring in frumer families. And the same around if it's is established around kollel guy's, working liberal guys may not want to move in.


A Chasidus for a dominant strong ruv can set a balance and allow people from all walks of life feel comfortable joining.
They're teaching in Yiddish. That's severely limiting.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2020, 09:54:35 PM »
That's severely limiting.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2020, 10:11:32 PM »
ive found that most successful communities were built around a yeshiva
Monsey had BME
Lakewood had BMG
KJ had the Satmar yeshivah
to a lesser extent even Cleveland had Telz

in general Litvaks that move out only need a BM to keep the community feel together while chasidim(x lubavitch) must have a spiritual guide. without one it becomes a more bummy atmosphere with little hope of expansion.
The best of both worlds is when the litvaks build a strong torah foundation and then the chasidim come in and add the chesed infrastructures and commerce....
The big spike in NMB now is mostly because of the kollel.
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2020, 10:14:10 PM »
They're teaching in Yiddish. That's severely limiting.
How do you teach state level english studies in yiddish?
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2020, 10:17:36 PM »
How do you teach state level english studies in yiddish?
Just reading OP. I assume secular studies in English.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2020, 11:23:16 PM »
The big spike in NMB now is mostly because of the kollel.

And the reason why it's not growing faster is bc of the prohibitive costs.

Lakewood and Ner Yisroel have built a strong network of OOT community kollelim to help grow the cities.
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2020, 11:32:58 PM »
Just reading OP. I assume secular studies in English.

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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2020, 11:35:36 PM »
Lakewood and Ner Yisroel have built a strong network of OOT community kollelim to help grow the cities.

Lakewood, LOL.
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2020, 11:42:17 PM »
Lakewood, LOL.
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Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2020, 11:43:14 PM »
I don't know about the others, but Bloomingburg is over 200 and growing. The reason it hasn't been growing quicker is because of the legal troubles...
At this point, their legal troubles are over. There's not enough people moving there. They haven't built new houses in many years, only 1/4 of the allowed houses are built so far.
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