New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa

[KSMH]

I would define success if it's a community that keeps on growing and people want to join it, plus it has their own mosdos and everything around it.
All these communities have their 100-150 families and that's where it ended.

My point of, the successful one's happen to be those geared towards a specific community, still stands. Its possible some failed [according to some people's designation], but the ones that succeeded had those components.

[Lurker]

I wish they could do this somewhere I drop closer. Is there no decent area within a 5 hr drive of the tristate? Pennsylvania?

Different people have tried to do versions of this in PA, DE, MD, andVA over the last 15 years that know of. A few times they got very close, with houses actually under construction, before falling apart. Many times, education was a big issue with local governments. This group seems to have reached a compromise with local authorities, so I believe they have a better chance at success.

[mendyt]

My point of, the successful one's happen to be those geared towards a specific community, still stands. Its possible some failed [according to some people's designation], but the ones that succeeded had those components.

I dont know which community you have in mind, but I'm not aware of any besides in Israel which you cant compare.
And we need a solution for all chasidim not just one group, that doesnt help in any way.

[KSMH]

I dont know which community you have in mind, but I'm not aware of any besides in Israel which you cant compare.
And we need a solution for all chasidim not just one group, that doesnt help in any way.

I dont have anything specific in mind, but the general concept.

Instead of looking for new communities and fancy marketing from brokers, find a place that u can call home without the hype.

There are enough out there.

[mushkovits]

My point of, the successful one's happen to be those geared towards a specific community, still stands. Its possible some failed [according to some people's designation], but the ones that succeeded had those components.

Heard of Staten Island?

[yungermanchik]

Heard of Staten Island?

That wasn't truly making a new community. It was taking over an existing YI community and expanding it.

[ah giten]

Look at Bloomingrove, Blumingburg, Viznits in Kiamesha Lake,  would you consider these communities successful?!

All of these are growing, might be a longer process, but look at KJ, is that called success?

[Yehuda25]

All of these are growing, might be a longer process, but look at KJ, is that called success?

wild success

[Something Fishy]

All of these are growing, might be a longer process, but look at KJ, is that called success?

LOL, you're comparing Gibbers to KJ?

[points 99]

wild success

was that and/or

[KSMH]

Heard of Staten Island?

Wasnt it at first only a specific group moving there + its next door to BP, they utilize all its services.

It can be faster to go from SI to BP then from one side of Lakewood to the other.

I would not consider that a totally new community.

[mordechain]

Is it really feasible to find 2500 families to pick up and move somewhere where they need to fly to see the rest of their families? Every Simcha , a flight? Siblings wedding up to a dozen tickets?

[mendyt]

Is it really feasible to find 2500 families to pick up and move somewhere where they need to fly to see the rest of their families? Every Simcha , a flight? Siblings wedding up to a dozen tickets?

I believe 2500 is a fantasy

[ah giten]

LOL, you're comparing Gibbers to KJ?

No, Gibbers was a failure till now. But has potential now that there is a rebbi.

And KJ was also a failure in the beginning, everything takes time.

[zh cohen]

All these communities have their 100-150 families and that's where it ended.

I don't know about the others, but Bloomingburg is over 200 and growing. The reason it hasn't been growing quicker is because of the legal troubles...

[mushkovits]

Wasnt it at first only a specific group moving there + its next door to BP, they utilize all its services.

It can be faster to go from SI to BP then from one side of Lakewood to the other.

I would not consider that a totally new community.

Was never for a specific group.
Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument

[KSMH]

Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument

In your opinion.
It's similar to ppl from Lakewood moving to areas such as royal grove in TR.

SI is NYC and ppl there utilized all its services at one time or another. So it's not like a totally new independent community but more like an extension of of BP...

[yungermanchik]

Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument

IIUC He was saying that it's not truly a new community, but rather a sorta expansion of BP. So, therefore, Willowbrook is not really relevant to a discussion about brand new communities, which by large have only been successful with single chassiduses.

[dsw193]

I believe 2500 is a fantasy

See whats going on in orlando since start of covid.

[haltkup]

ive found that most successful communities were built around a yeshiva
Monsey had BME
Lakewood had BMG
KJ had the Satmar yeshivah
to a lesser extent even Cleveland had Telz

in general Litvaks that move out only need a BM to keep the community feel together while chasidim(x lubavitch) must have a spiritual guide. without one it becomes a more bummy atmosphere with little hope of expansion.
The best of both worlds is when the litvaks build a strong torah foundation and then the chasidim come in and add the chesed infrastructures and commerce....