New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa

[Lurker]

To be correct
They didn't took over a community at all!
It's just was easier that there is some shuls and especially a mikva on premises and some kosher food there!
There is nothing to take over ,over there, but it's definitely not comparable to
The new chasidish communities like
Linden NJ
Bloomingburg NY
Jersey city NJ
Where it's totally In a desert with no Jewish infrastructure in sight and need to build from scratch

LOL! Sorry, but you can't call any place in NY/NJ "a desert with no Jewish infrastructure in sight." Coming from BP/Willi, I can understand why you may look at it that way. But get back to me when you've been to Tulsa, OK, or SLC, UT, or Bozeman, MT. The places you list are a bit inconvenient at first, but there is so much infrastructure around them that they can lean on, that it's really very doable. Hillsborough County, FL Isnt quite those 3 places I mentioned, but there is little-to-no infrastructure for them to lean on. They need their own solution to schools, shuls, and food from day 1. They can rely on Chabad for a mikva in the beginning, but they'll need their own pretty quickly.

[Joel]

Still not comparable to a 2 story private house on a private property with lower yearly taxes for 300k

I understand it's not completely the same.
However moving to a dessert and who knows how it will turn out.
Every time you will need to visit family or friends you will need to travel.
Not worth the savings IMHO
(besides I believe a house not built to our needs will be just as bad as a small house in Brooklyn)

Food will be more expensive
Most will need to find new jobs. Not the easiest thing without jewish business infrastructure. Also remember not everyone has a college degree.

The only reason someone should move is if they are ready to leave family and friends behind and are ready to start struggling without any community support, definitely in the beginning.
KJ(Monroe) didn't happen in 1 day neither did any other new community. Will be a real struggle to get things going.


The solution to housing in Brooklyn isn't only Tampa.

[Lurker]

The solution to housing in Brooklyn isn't only Tampa.

The housing issue isn't the only one they are trying to solve. FL school vouchers can inject much needed funds into an educational system, as well as ease the burden of large families. No state income tax helps keep more money in the community. There's also great value in having a political voice, and living in a state with many conservative values. Recent events have only magnified the importance of those issues.

Few of those benefits will show up on day 1. It will take some time until the community is established enough to really maximize the value. But these are things that can only be accomplished in certain places, and FL is one of the most convenient places to pull it off.

[erlich]

I understand it's not completely the same.
However moving to a dessert and who knows how it will turn out.
Every time you will need to visit family or friends you will need to travel.
Not worth the savings IMHO
(besides I believe a house not built to our needs will be just as bad as a small house in Brooklyn)

Food will be more expensive
Most will need to find new jobs. Not the easiest thing without jewish business infrastructure. Also remember not everyone has a college degree.

The only reason someone should move is if they are ready to leave family and friends behind and are ready to start struggling without any community support, definitely in the beginning.
KJ(Monroe) didn't happen in 1 day neither did any other new community. Will be a real struggle to get things going.


The solution to housing in Brooklyn isn't only Tampa.

The solution is one word

Anyone that does something for the good is the solution!
Laying in bed and mocking everything on a public forum Is just very easy to do

But
Bloomingburg
Jersey city
Linden
Staten island
And so on didn't work out because people mocking it

מען דארף טין און נישט אויפטין....

The point is that there is enough business for chasidish people looking for reasonable housing in mass production in a fast time setting, unfortunately in the tri state area it can't happen as of now because the locals stir it away

There is multiple developments around monroe as in bloomingrove that are waiting almost 15 years to get approved

Now there is in chester taking years already even it was bought with approvals

The list is long

Recent huge 2700 single homes approved property in monticello was bought by halberstam, will wait and see how easy that will go even though its approved

But all these developments will sky rock prices once it's a success

we need reasonable housing

[Joel]

But all these developments will sky rock prices once it's a success

Do you think Tampa development and surrounding land won't sky rocket once its a success?
I can already see investors buying the land etc...

[avromie7]

Do you think Tampa development and surrounding land won't sky rocket once its a success?
I can already see investors buying the land etc...

There's a lot of land around there.

[fresar]

Do you think Tampa development and surrounding land won't sky rocket once its a success?
I can already see investors buying the land etc...

Land is very plentiful in that area, you can buy up how much you want and there will still be more....

[Cat18]

is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.

[avromie7]

is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.

Obviously for the time being this is only an option for those who can continue their current job or work in the schools.

What type of crowd is the Orlando community trying to attract?

[Chapshnell]

is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.

You are 100% right. Yidden have always been wandering from place to place & with trust in Hashem they will figure it out. I am sure there are plenty of middle of the road jobs that can be had. Has to be worked out with Shabbos, Yom Tov etc. but to start its OK

[erlich]

is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.

So let me explain you how atleast the chasidish economy works as I have seen it , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there ,there is all kinds of sub contractor companies in Lakewood owned by chasidim now days besides local stores.

The local shul and moisdes alone employs a decent amount of yiden included women,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough jobs  , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long
Hashem has his plan

[Lurker]

So let me explain you how atleast thw chasidish economy works , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there

The local shul and moisdes alome employs a decent amount,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long

Man, you're so stuck in Kansas. This isn't how it works in the rest of the country. The local mosdos need money in order to support all those employees, and if the kosher stores and restaurants aren't bringing in outside business, the community is still limited in its total income.

[Yehuda57]

One guy can get a job farentferring on DDF
Another can put bath tubs in all the master bathrooms
Another can trap the alligators

How many more do we need?

[erlich]

Man, you're so stuck in Kansas. This isn't how it works in the rest of the country. The local mosdos need money in order to support all those employees, and if the kosher stores and restaurants aren't bringing in outside business, the community is still limited in its total income.

Well you not getting the point, better said you don't want to

Better explanation in the little bloomingburg or viznitz kaimisha most of the jobs are within the community between  themselves, well the moisdes has money because there is choice program ,right? Is that one of the reasons going there?
Not talking about restaurant
There is need for grocery ,fish,butcher, dry goods, clothing ,talking about daily important needs ,not luxury

A local plumber and electrician and so on

[avromie7]

So let me explain you how atleast the chasidish economy works as I have seen it , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there ,there is all kinds of sub contractor companies in Lakewood owned by chasidim now days besides local stores.

The local shul and moisdes alone employs a decent amount of yiden included women,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough jobs  , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long
Hashem has his plan

Unless you can prove income in FL, you're going to have a very difficult time getting approved for a mortgage. I think that may be a pretty big roadblock for many.

[avromie7]

Well you not getting the point, better said you don't want to

Better explanation in the little bloomingburg or viznitz kaimisha most of the jobs are within the community between  themselves, well the moisdes has money because there is choice program ,right? Is that one of the reasons going there?
Not talking about restaurant
There is need for grocery ,fish,butcher, dry goods, clothing ,talking about daily important needs ,not luxury

A local plumber and electrician and so on

100 families aren't going to support any of these jobs. I think you're oversimplifying it and @Lurker is overcomplicating it.

[Lurker]

Well you not getting the point, better said you don't want to

Better explanation in the little bloomingburg or viznitz kaimisha most of the jobs are within the community between  themselves, well the moisdes has money because there is choice program ,right? Is that one of the reasons going there?
Not talking about restaurant
There is need for grocery ,fish,butcher, dry goods, clothing ,talking about daily important needs ,not luxury

A local plumber and electrician and so on

I understand how the heimishe economy works. Without a few people with deep pockets, it falls apart. In order for them to all eat, there needs to be a certain amount of money made from outside of the community. All those businesses you listed - grocery, fish, butcher, dry goods, clothing, plumber, electrician - they are all recycling the same money, going from Duvi's pocket to Yoeli's to Eli's. Except the goods everyone is consuming in the process also costs money. Without outside money, it runs dry pretty quick.

[PlatinumGuy]

Make a deal with Bloomberg to vote D.

[avromie7]

I understand how the heimishe economy works. Without a few people with deep pockets, it falls apart. In order for them to all eat, there needs to be a certain amount of money made from outside of the community. All those businesses you listed - grocery, fish, butcher, dry goods, clothing, plumber, electrician - they are all recycling the same money, going from Duvi's pocket to Yoeli's to Eli's. Except the goods everyone is consuming in the process also costs money. Without outside money, it runs dry pretty quick.

There will be government money coming in from the schools as well as people working remote and self employed (for example Amazon).

[erlich]

I understand how the heimishe economy works. Without a few people with deep pockets, it falls apart. In order for them to all eat, there needs to be a certain amount of money made from outside of the community. All those businesses you listed - grocery, fish, butcher, dry goods, clothing, plumber, electrician - they are all recycling the same money, going from Duvi's pocket to Yoeli's to Eli's. Except the goods everyone is consuming in the process also costs money. Without outside money, it runs dry pretty quick.

That's how world economics works baby

Money Goes from rechel to mechel 
מען האנדעלט און מען וואנדעלט

For a fact is like That in bloomingburg with around 150 families most jobs are within the community as follows

Dayen
Mikva yid/shamesh
Over a dozen Melamdim/rebbees
English teachers
Building manager
Moisdes administrators
Bus drivers
Grocery owner
Few grocery employees
Fish store owner
Hardware store owner
Handyman
Women teachers
Secretaries
Pizza shop owner
Car service drivers
Real estate agents
Mortgage broker
Contractors
Developers
Cc processing agent
A local guy with a huge amazon company employs a few employees
Sofer
Real estate management companies
Local Shuttle to nearby areas
Medical center manager
And many many more