Author Topic: Stella Immanuel Asks Why We Don't Prescribe Prophylactic Hydroxychloroquine  (Read 2450 times)

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2) HCQ advocates run in the same circles as anti vaxxers.
Completely false
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HCQ - we have a double blind randomized study among many others showing its ineffective. On the other side, we have anecdotal evidence from a few pediatricians not known for their veracity, claiming they found a miracle cure and corona is over. Proven science says you donít go around proclaiming that corona is over. Proven science also says you donít ban HCQ because itís proven to be safe for decades. But unproven science says political points are worth more so letís ban it.

Link? To my knowledge, there has been no double blind study on the efficacy of Zinc+HCQ in the outpatient setting

The Zelenko protocol is more about zinc than about HCQ, which is used here as a zinc ionophore. The studies are focusing on HCQ as a standalone, whereas Zelenko is using it as a delivery system. Theoretically, it could be Zinc+Quercetin.

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Therein lies the major difference between trump fanatics and everyone else. They donít in general believe in science or experts.
And your basing this on what exactly? I'm surprised you didn't say Republicans.

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This is truly a testament, how anyone can have their "15 minuets of fame" if they are willing to do get it at any cost.

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Completely false
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None of the HCQ advocates I know are anti-vax.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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I've been wanting to post the following story a couple of times, and see how different people would react to it. I will post it here now, and I definitely do acknowledge the differences between that situation and the current one, yet I find value in trying to put oneself into that situation and think honestly about how they would act/react/feel etc. while constantly reflecting on our current situation @Lurker do you want to go first?

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/428230/jewish/Hakafot-in-Liozna.htm
מי יתן that our greats and leaders (and rabbonim כהן אשר בימיך) would be the voices suggesting celebration
not the "eyes that G-d gave" layman like me and you

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Can you link to these studies? I looked over this study, and as a layman, i dont see proof of anything except that Covid-19 is not (so) dangerous to the age group tested, and that the virus is not so catchy (?!)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

A quick (approximate)summary is that they got 800 people (median age=40, half men, half women) who were in close contact with Covid-19 cases. 400 got HCL, 400 placebo. From each group 50 got sick, and there was 1 hospitalization in each group. No deaths in either group.

And i think that the HCQ promoters agree 100% to the study's stated conclusion. They dont say that it will prevent illness, they just say it will prevent deaths.

"CONCLUSIONS
After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure."

Don't have time to read this study, but it doesn't seem to be limited to people that actually caught the virus. So from 800 "exposed" people, only 100 people got sick. Does it prove that HCQ doesn't prevent infection, perhaps, but I don't think it was a claim the zelenkos are making.

From what I understand the study is practically useless in determining if infected patients on HCQ are healthier than placebo, as the study group is way too small. You'd only expect a few hospitalizations in 100 people, you need way more than that.

In the following study, they limited it to people that  basically got infected, and came out that there was no statistical significance from taking HCQ - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

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Link? To my knowledge, there has been no double blind study on the efficacy of Zinc+HCQ in the outpatient setting

The Zelenko protocol is more about zinc than about HCQ, which is used here as a zinc ionophore. The studies are focusing on HCQ as a standalone, whereas Zelenko is using it as a delivery system. Theoretically, it could be Zinc+Quercetin.

Read again, I didn't make a claim about zinc in my post. But now that you mention it, in the following double blind HCQ study, a portion of the group were taking zinc on their own accord, and the study found no statistical benefit.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

I'm sure it can be studied better, but current evidence is pointing as little usefulness to the zelenko protocol. If in fact it was such a great cure as constantly touted, I would expect to see major noticeable improvements.

Side note: someone mentioned to me that HCQ should work without zinc in many people, as our body produces zinc naturally. Not sure how true this is.

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Completely false
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None of the HCQ advocates I know are anti-vax.
The basis for my comment s an article that stated that It was wildly popularized online in anti vax circles and groups and it spread from there. I have not substantiated myself, but it made sense to me based on the anti establishment tendencies of both groups

ETA: just came across this. Anecdotal Case in point
« Last Edit: July 29, 2020, 09:13:04 PM by thaber »

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מי יתן that our greats and leaders (and rabbonim כהן אשר בימיך) would be the voices suggesting celebration
not the "eyes that G-d gave" layman like me and you

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I definitely do acknowledge the differences between that situation and the current one

I'm not expecting anyone to compare that simchas Torah with the current situation. What I am asking is to take one's current knowledge, attitudes and feelings and imagine themselves back then and there, and try to be honest as to what they would hold/feel/do back then.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Scientists know stuff. Like everything else in life there are good scientists and bad scientists. Credentials usually help decipher and seperate  them. Therein lies the major difference between trump fanatics and everyone else. They donít in general believe in science or experts.
They believe in science and experts. The problem is they get it from Ripley's Believe It Or Not.
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