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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #100 on: November 09, 2020, 10:34:20 AM »
According to the Pfizer executive or spokesperson on WCBS this morning they received the information from an independent review board yesterday afternoon.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #101 on: November 09, 2020, 11:33:59 AM »
Keep in mind there are other vaccines almost ready so it's in Pfizers interest to announce their success as soon as possible.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #102 on: November 09, 2020, 01:29:48 PM »
Wasn’t this data released by the pharmaceutical companies? You think they prefer a D in the WH?

I think that the fact that they lied today and claimed "we were never part of Warp Speed" is an indication that they are acting politically.

If they delayed the announcement, I think the most likely explanation for why is because they knew that Democrats would attack any results announced before the election making it harder for them to move forward.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #103 on: November 09, 2020, 01:39:33 PM »
If they delayed the announcement, I think the most likely explanation for why is because they knew that Democrats would attack any results announced before the election making it harder for them to move forward.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #104 on: November 09, 2020, 01:42:30 PM »
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #105 on: November 09, 2020, 01:43:53 PM »
I think that the fact that they lied today and claimed "we were never part of Warp Speed" is an indication that they are acting politically.

If they delayed the announcement, I think the most likely explanation for why is because they knew that Democrats would attack any results announced before the election making it harder for them to move forward.
I wouldn't say they're acting politically, rather they're maneuvering in a way so that the most Americans will take their vaccine (they make the most money that way). They need to somehow disconnect themselves politically.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #106 on: November 09, 2020, 02:07:05 PM »
I think that the fact that they lied today and claimed "we were never part of Warp Speed" is an indication that they are acting politically.

If they delayed the announcement, I think the most likely explanation for why is because they knew that Democrats would attack any results announced before the election making it harder for them to move forward.

It really was the safest play. Don't let either party politicize your product. Hitch yourself to the winner after it's decided, and let the profits flow.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #107 on: November 09, 2020, 02:08:00 PM »
It really was the safest play. Don't let either party politicize your product. Hitch yourself to the winner after it's decided, and let the profits flow.

This interpretation of their motives (which is the most charitable towards Pfizers) means that Joe Biden (and the Democrats) are responsible for delaying the vaccine by making it clear that they would attack any vaccine that came out before the election.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #108 on: November 09, 2020, 02:11:21 PM »
How does lying to avoid giving Trump credit "disconnect themselves politically"?

Even in the most charitable exploring of events, Joe Biden (and the Democrats) are responsible for delaying the announcement of the vaccine by making it clear that they would attack any vaccine that came out before the election.
FTFY

Does the timing of the public announcement impact distribution and approval?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #109 on: November 09, 2020, 02:11:26 PM »
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #110 on: November 09, 2020, 02:12:31 PM »
FTFY

Does the timing of the public announcement impact distribution and approval?

Seems like they put off applying for an EUA till today.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #111 on: November 09, 2020, 02:12:47 PM »
How does lying to avoid giving Trump credit "disconnect themselves politically"?

Even in the most charitable exploring of events, Joe Biden (and the Democrats) are responsible for delaying the vaccine by making it clear that they would attack any vaccine that came out before the election.
How did they lie? They were very clear about what Operation Warp Speed was giving them. They're trying to distance themselves politically as much as possible by being transparent about what the government did to help them. In my reading of it it looks like their assumption is that most Americans feel safer with something that was developed completely by the private sector.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #112 on: November 09, 2020, 02:12:54 PM »

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #113 on: November 09, 2020, 02:21:05 PM »
How did they lie? They were very clear about what Operation Warp Speed was giving them.

The head of vaccine development said (to the NY Times I think)"we were not part of Warp Speed." They are now walking back that statement.

It's interesting that the NY Times printed that claim (that was obviously false to anyone with a memory or access to Google).

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2020, 02:36:50 PM »
Seems like they put off applying for an EUA till today.
I believe that to assure safety they are waiting for there to be 2 full months from when participants received their second dose, which would be next week.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #115 on: November 09, 2020, 02:40:38 PM »
The head of vaccine development said (to the NY Times I think)"we were not part of Warp Speed." They are now walking back that statement.

It's interesting that the NY Times printed that claim (that was obviously false to anyone with a memory or access to Google).
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“We were never part of the Warp Speed,” she said in an interview on Sunday. “We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”
This is the quote I found - this isn't a lie. They still haven't taken any money from the government.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #116 on: November 09, 2020, 02:44:18 PM »
This is the quote I found - this isn't a lie. They still haven't taken any money from the government.

The first half certainly is. The second half is questionable. (The government didn't write any checks, but they signed a $2Billion contract with them)

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #117 on: November 09, 2020, 02:48:52 PM »
The first half certainly is. The second half is questionable. (The government didn't write any checks, but they signed a $2Billion contract with them)
I'd like to see the full context of this conversation before I jump to say that she lied. Maybe I'm just a trusting person but I find it hard to see a motive why she would lie about something so easily verifiable. To me it sounds like she's putting emphasis on the fact that this is something developed/financed entirely by Pfizer...

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #118 on: November 09, 2020, 02:57:40 PM »
Great story, did she have any bridges for sale?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #119 on: November 09, 2020, 04:00:12 PM »
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