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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #860 on: December 26, 2021, 02:15:47 PM »
Well, itís now the end of 2021 and....

Yes, and?

Are Delta and Omicron a result of countries not throwing in the towel?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #861 on: December 26, 2021, 02:46:59 PM »
Yes, and?

Are Delta and Omicron a result of countries not throwing in the towel?

The point of the thread was to counter the widespread assumption and media hype that vaccine development would bring the pandemic to a quick end in early 2021.

Bunch of boich svaros.
There has never been this much money thrown at making and distributing a vaccine before.

 Granted the focus wasnít on mutations but among the hurdles discussed was

If anything, thinking that lots of money = vaccine in a few months when itís never been done in less than four years is a boich sevara. Here what some who have been in the vaccine industry for decades have to say about it:

https://theconversation.com/fast-covid-19-vaccine-timelines-are-unrealistic-and-put-the-integrity-of-scientists-at-risk-139824

ďOne concern is that some vaccines can protect against disease (that is, the outcome of an infection) but not against infection (the ability of the virus to get into the body). In this scenario, vaccinated individuals could potentially become asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2, thereby spreading COVID-19. For this and many other reasons, a cautious approach must be taken to developing COVID-19 vaccines.ď


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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #862 on: December 26, 2021, 03:02:55 PM »
The vaccine was a game changer at its time, and without Delta and Omicron would still be.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #864 on: December 26, 2021, 09:53:21 PM »
The vaccine was a game changer at its time, and without Delta and Omicron would still be.
It still is a game changer. Is there any evidence we would be doing better without it?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #865 on: December 26, 2021, 10:06:06 PM »
It still is a game changer. Is there any evidence we would be doing better without it?

As someone who took a fair amount of precautions, got vaxxed, had max antibodies, and still got reinfected, the current vaccine still leaves a lot to be desired.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #866 on: December 26, 2021, 10:09:16 PM »
It still is a game changer. Is there any evidence we would be doing better without it?
It was great for the previous variants. Not for Omicron. Clearly. At least Omicron is mild for most people.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #867 on: December 26, 2021, 10:16:39 PM »
It still is a game changer. Is there any evidence we would be doing better without it?
Maybe we would've been more focused on treatment availability. And had we not been so caught up in vaccinating every single person no matter what including all those with antibodies we could've sent the vaccines to the 3rd world countries who are creating these variants

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #868 on: December 26, 2021, 10:21:56 PM »
Maybe we would've been more focused on treatment availability. And had we not been so caught up in vaccinating every single person no matter what including all those with antibodies we could've sent the vaccines to the 3rd world countries who are creating these variants

This comment confuses me. If the vaccines work, then we did the right thing. If they don't, how would sending them to 3rd world countries help?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #869 on: December 26, 2021, 10:26:17 PM »
It still is a game changer. Is there any evidence we would be doing better without it?
Are these two sentences supposed to be connected?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #870 on: December 26, 2021, 10:37:50 PM »
This comment confuses me. If the vaccines work, then we did the right thing. If they don't, how would sending them to 3rd world countries help?
The vaccines worked great but the roll out was done without much science. Give it to all the healthcare workers who were all exposed and had antibodies first than to the nursing homes who again were all exposed to covid till it got to the people who were busy spreading it prolonged covid (the strain at the time) an extra few months. Than to hold onto millions of doses and maximize the chance for the 3rd world countries develop variants - another mistake. It could've possibly been a game changer but at this point - having treatment availability would be the game changer

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #871 on: December 26, 2021, 10:55:59 PM »
The vaccines worked great but the roll out was done without much science. Give it to all the healthcare workers who were all exposed and had antibodies first than to the nursing homes who again were all exposed to covid till it got to the people who were busy spreading it prolonged covid (the strain at the time) an extra few months. Than to hold onto millions of doses and maximize the chance for the 3rd world countries develop variants - another mistake. It could've possibly been a game changer but at this point - having treatment availability would be the game changer

I hear. I'm not sure it would have helped. In order to treat, you need to know what you're treating, and this new strain seems to be operating differently than the strains we were previously dealing with.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #872 on: December 26, 2021, 11:04:01 PM »
I hear. I'm not sure it would have helped. In order to treat, you need to know what you're treating, and this new strain seems to be operating differently than the strains we were previously dealing with.

Yup, they should start testing TamiFlu for it, who knows, might work wonders :D

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #873 on: December 26, 2021, 11:44:50 PM »
It still is a game changer. Is there any evidence we would be doing better without it?

That's a pretty low bar to set for calling something a "game changer" (unless you are making two separate points, in which case I agree with you).