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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #220 on: November 24, 2020, 08:00:13 PM »
okay. The one monkey wrench is her testing positive for antibodies
Depending on the assay, the vaccine shouldn't necessarily cause a positive antibodies test (see above).
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #221 on: November 24, 2020, 08:02:01 PM »
Depending on the assay, the vaccine shouldn't necessarily cause a positive antibodies test (see above).
Even so. It could then mean that she had the vaccine, also acquired natural immunity, and then STILL got sick. I guess it is possible, but seems very strange.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #222 on: November 24, 2020, 08:07:09 PM »
Even so. It could then mean that she had the vaccine, also acquired natural immunity, and then STILL got sick. I guess it is possible, but seems very strange.
There is always the possibility none of it is true. She claims she thinks she is unique because Moderna is checking on her daily, but that is part of their published protocol for anybody who contracts Covid. I will try to look through their data to see if her claim to be one of the 5 cases is possible.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #223 on: November 24, 2020, 08:14:19 PM »
She says on page 1 that she had fever and body aches after getting the shot, which made her think she got the vaccine, since a placebo wouldn't produce such side effects (not to mention the confirmed antibodies). Is that true?

Then she said she's one of the 5 with the vaccine to be positive, but on page 3 she says she tested positive 2 days after they reported, so maybe she's #6?

Definitely not good news, unless we find out that she really was in the placebo group, yet somehow still managed to pick up antibodies after getting the placebo while remaining asymptomatic with her entire family, who have now all come down with together = pretty unlikely.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #224 on: November 24, 2020, 08:18:45 PM »
So on Nov 24 she posted claiming to have contracted Covid and to be one of the 5 known cases in Moderna's study.

Moderna published results including 5 cases on Nov 15.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/promising-interim-results-clinical-trial-nih-moderna-covid-19-vaccine

Moderna announced it had the data and began compiling it already on Nov 11

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-has-completed-case-accrual-first-planned-interim


If she got infected after Nov 11, she is not one of the 5 identified cases, and she cannot know definitively that she got the vaccine and not the placebo.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #225 on: November 24, 2020, 08:19:49 PM »
can antibody tests have false positives? that would be another factor to complicate the discussion...
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #226 on: November 24, 2020, 08:21:21 PM »
She says on page 1 that she had fever and body aches after getting the shot, which made her think she got the vaccine, since a placebo wouldn't produce such side effects (not to mention the confirmed antibodies). Is that true?
'Light fever & body aches' can be pyschological or unrelated - she does claim to have immune issues...
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #227 on: November 24, 2020, 08:22:53 PM »
She also says that she is high risk, and would then have a strong subconscious bias to assume she got the actual vaccine (which could explain the minor side effects she had at the time of the shot).

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #228 on: November 24, 2020, 08:24:16 PM »
She also says that she is high risk, and would then have a strong subconscious bias to assume she got the actual vaccine (which could explain the minor side effects she had at the time of the shot).
didn't it say that everyone in the trial is high risk?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #229 on: November 24, 2020, 08:25:56 PM »
didn't it say that everyone in the trial is high risk?
No.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #230 on: November 24, 2020, 08:28:13 PM »
From page 1: "You need to have not had it and be high risk in some way to be part of the study that I am doing."

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #231 on: November 24, 2020, 08:30:05 PM »
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #232 on: November 24, 2020, 08:31:05 PM »
From page 1: "You need to have not had it and be high risk in some way to be part of the study that I am doing."
Oh, she said it, but the the protocol published by NIH & Moderna specifically says otherwise.

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Randomization will be stratified based on age and, if they are < 65 years of age, based on the presence or absence of risk factors for severe illness from COVID-19 based on CDC recommendation as of Mar 2020. There will be 3 strata for randomization: ≥ 65 years, < 65 years and categorized to be at increased risk (“at risk”) for the complications of COVID-19, and < 65 years “not at risk”. Risk will be defined based on the study participants’ relevant past and current medical history. At least 25% of enrolled participants, but not more than 40%, will be either ≥ 65 years of age or < 65 years of age and “at risk” at Screening.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #233 on: November 24, 2020, 08:54:14 PM »
@PlatinumGuy Care to comment on her thread?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #234 on: November 24, 2020, 08:59:47 PM »
@PlatinumGuy Care to comment on her thread?
Don’t I have to be a woman to sign up there? Anyways I don’t see how we’ll glean any information from her. She seems to have a standard case of Covid. Even if she got the vaccine, we know that’s possible. Bh she’s not hospitalized or anything despite being high risk
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #235 on: November 24, 2020, 09:10:09 PM »
To clear up misconceptions? So get your better half to sign up. Or bend the rules.  ;)

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #236 on: November 25, 2020, 01:20:24 AM »
Astra Zeneca has been testing it’s UK sample every week with PCR to identify asymptomatic. It’s a shame they’re making the vaccine pro bono & bumbled up the trial
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #237 on: November 25, 2020, 09:22:16 AM »
What are the odds she's an antivaxxer with a good imagination?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #238 on: November 25, 2020, 09:56:17 AM »
Don’t I have to be a woman to sign up there? Anyways I don’t see how we’ll glean any information from her. She seems to have a standard case of Covid. Even if she got the vaccine, we know that’s possible. Bh she’s not hospitalized or anything despite being high risk
I guess we need @henche to comment there.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #239 on: November 25, 2020, 11:32:28 AM »
What are the odds she's an antivaxxer with a good imagination?

There is always the possibility none of it is true.
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