Author Topic: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021? (Read 83050 times)

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #360 on:** December 17, 2020, 07:04:54 PM »

“A government advisory panel endorsed a second COVID-19 vaccine Thursday, paving the way for the shot to be added to the U.S. vaccination campaign.

The Food and Drug Administration is expected to follow the recommendation for the vaccine from Moderna and the National Institutes of Health. The FDA advisers, in a 20-0 vote, agreed the benefits of the vaccine outweighed the risks for those 18 years old and up.

The FDA is expected to approve the vaccine for emergency use tomorrow, Fox News reported Thursday.”

dovy2 · « **Reply #361 on:** December 17, 2020, 07:38:31 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on December 17, 2020, 06:08:46 PM

https://twitter.com/josh_wingrove/status/1339632295154647040?s=21

G-d forbid Trump gets all the credit.. we gotta leave some for Biden...

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #362 on:** December 18, 2020, 03:14:04 PM »

Israel hoping to finish vaccinating the entire LTC population by Dec 27. Purim is gonna be lit

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #363 on:** December 19, 2020, 08:36:48 PM »

https://twitter.com/peterhotez/status/1340470483142270979?s=21

Euclid · « **Reply #364 on:** December 19, 2020, 09:01:55 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on December 19, 2020, 08:36:48 PM

https://twitter.com/peterhotez/status/1340470483142270979?s=21

Had a similar thought. A public figure admitting a mistake? What is this even?

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #365 on:** December 20, 2020, 07:09:12 PM »

https://twitter.com/findingpneumo/status/1339556859473227778?s=21

Some things aren't going Bill Gates's way!

AsherO · « **Reply #366 on:** December 20, 2020, 07:29:05 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on December 20, 2020, 07:09:12 PM

https://twitter.com/findingpneumo/status/1339556859473227778?s=21

Some things aren't going Bill Gates's way!

Wasn’t Pfizer’s first dose pegged at 82%?

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #367 on:** December 20, 2020, 11:15:58 PM »

Quote from: AsherO on December 20, 2020, 07:29:05 PM

Wasn’t Pfizer’s first dose pegged at 82%?

https://twitter.com/CADoctorJ1/status/1340767441022959616?s=20

https://twitter.com/CADoctorJ1/status/1340784507935342593?s=20

avromie7 · « **Reply #368 on:** December 21, 2020, 09:44:10 AM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on December 20, 2020, 07:09:12 PM

https://twitter.com/findingpneumo/status/1339556859473227778?s=21

Some things aren't going Bill Gates's way!

Unless there is some really compelling reason not to do this, giving everyone 2 doses when 1 is (nearly) as good is essentially murder.

Dan · « **Reply #369 on:** December 21, 2020, 09:44:56 AM »

Quote from: avromie7 on December 21, 2020, 09:44:10 AM

Unless there is some really compelling reason not to do this, giving everyone 2 doses when 1 is (nearly) as good is essentially murder.

Only reason I can think of is that 1 dose wasn't as extensively studied as 2 doses.

avromie7 · « **Reply #370 on:** December 21, 2020, 09:48:05 AM »

Quote from: Dan on December 21, 2020, 09:44:56 AM

Only reason I can think of is that 1 dose wasn't as extensively studied as 2 doses.

It still seems so crazy, you have an option to increase immunity by nearly 100%.

Dan · « **Reply #371 on:** December 21, 2020, 10:06:50 AM »

Quote from: avromie7 on December 21, 2020, 09:48:05 AM

It still seems so crazy, you have an option to increase immunity by nearly 100%.

I don't disagree with you, but I doubt they would get FDA approval for a course that hasn't been properly studied.

etech0 · « **Reply #372 on:** December 21, 2020, 10:11:34 AM »

Is giving the second dose in 6 months equally effective as giving it now?

Dan · « **Reply #373 on:** December 21, 2020, 10:12:10 AM »

Quote from: etech0 on December 21, 2020, 10:11:34 AM

Is giving the second dose in 6 months equally effective as giving it now?

That would have to be studied.

S209 · « **Reply #374 on:** December 21, 2020, 10:12:25 AM »

Quote from: etech0 on December 21, 2020, 10:11:34 AM

Is giving the second dose in 6 months equally effective as giving it now?

@PlatinumGuy

Ergel · « **Reply #375 on:** December 21, 2020, 10:24:51 AM »

FWIW, on TWiV they recommended going with two doses because that's what was studied. They didn't at all entertain doing anything else

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #376 on:** December 21, 2020, 01:06:40 PM »

Quote from: etech0 on December 21, 2020, 10:11:34 AM

Is giving the second dose in 6 months equally effective as giving it now?

I don't think that was studied. There may be potential for vector immunity.

The reason 1 dose wasn't studied was because it was assumed even 2 doses would only grant ~70% immunity, so 1 dose being even less effective would be nearly useless. The surprise is that 2 doses are close to 100% protective.

zh cohen · « **Reply #377 on:** December 22, 2020, 12:59:49 AM »

Quote from: Dan on December 21, 2020, 10:06:50 AM

I don't disagree with you, but I doubt they would get FDA approval for a course that hasn't been properly studied.

The question is if they will use this info to be less extreme about holding the stretching doses in storage and rely on known future production for that.

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #378 on:** December 23, 2020, 12:59:14 AM »

Quote from: zh cohen on December 22, 2020, 12:59:49 AM

The question is if they will use this info to be less extreme about holding the stretching doses in storage and rely on known future production for that.

My understanding was that that was a Pfizer condition as opposed to a gov't directive.

zh cohen · « **Reply #379 on:** December 23, 2020, 01:05:12 AM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on December 23, 2020, 12:59:14 AM

My understanding was that that was a Pfizer condition as opposed to a gov't directive.

Interesting. Did they explain why? Did Moderna make a similar condition?