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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #400 on: December 24, 2020, 01:09:20 AM »
Which country will let me get it the earliest? Looks like isreal no?
Yes Israel is giving it to anybody 60+ and very easy to hock an appointment even if younger. The problem is getting into Israel now.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #401 on: December 24, 2020, 01:50:28 AM »
Which country will let me get it the earliest? Looks like isreal no?
Yes Israel is giving it to anybody 60+ and very easy to hock an appointment even if younger. The problem is getting into Israel now.
When will Israel allow US citizens in to get the vaccine?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #402 on: December 24, 2020, 04:30:35 PM »

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #403 on: December 25, 2020, 12:00:26 AM »
I have been watching this the last few days and am horrified by the slow pace of vaccinations. Ohio has over 370k available yet only vaccinated 11k - Gov. Devine what is up with this?? Call in the National Guard do whatever it takes - there was plenty of time to prepare. Israel did 65k today - Illinois did a lot this is unconsiousable.

As of Dec. 15 th there were already 100k delivered to Ohio and by now there should be the 370k available. https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/covid19-update-12152020

Now for the the ones started https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/vaccination-dashboard

Its a disgrace

Ohio still barely doing over 6k a day https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/vaccination-dashboard - a disgrace

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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/12/22/why-ohio-behind-other-states-administering-covid-vaccines/4013177001/

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/12/ohio-behind-on-vaccine-shipments-but-officials-say-new-doses-on-the-way.html
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #404 on: December 25, 2020, 01:29:50 AM »
https://twitter.com/nadav_eyal/status/1342355015558684673?s=21

210k total

On track to finish at risk population in 1-2 weeks
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #405 on: December 25, 2020, 09:11:59 AM »
Yes Israel is giving it to anybody 60+ and very easy to hock an appointment even if younger. The problem is getting into Israel now.
I walked in to the kupa and they had nurses sitting their waiting for people to come, doing nothing. And extra doses available that would be thrown out end of day
They schedule 10 minutes for each vaccination appointment when in reality it takes 2 minutes
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #406 on: December 25, 2020, 09:42:47 AM »
I walked in to the kupa and they had nurses sitting their waiting for people to come, doing nothing. And extra doses available that would be thrown out end of day
They schedule 10 minutes for each vaccination appointment when in reality it takes 2 minutes

If doses are getting wasted for reasons like that that’s insane.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #407 on: December 25, 2020, 11:26:37 AM »
Not sure this really belongs here, but it's a nice summary of real world effectiveness study of the COVID Vaccines already approved (EUA):

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness.html

I wonder how soon they'll release preliminary real-world data and how it'll match up to the phase iii data already released.

Edited to correct link
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #408 on: December 25, 2020, 11:29:00 AM »
Not sure this really belongs here, but it's a nice summary of real world effectiveness study of the COVID Vaccines already approved (EUA):


I wonder how soon they'll release preliminary real-world data and how it'll match up to the phase iii data already released.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #410 on: December 25, 2020, 12:21:14 PM »
Wrong link?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #411 on: December 25, 2020, 12:38:21 PM »
Cool link for those in any US state to see how many people are in line to get the vaccine before them:

https://dig.abclocal.go.com/ccg/interactives/vaccine-calculator/index.html
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #412 on: December 25, 2020, 01:15:28 PM »
I walked in to the kupa and they had nurses sitting their waiting for people to come, doing nothing. And extra doses available that would be thrown out end of day
They schedule 10 minutes for each vaccination appointment when in reality it takes 2 minutes
Don’t Pfizer doses last for a few days after defrosting? They shouldn’t be throwing out at the end of the day
Not sure this really belongs here, but it's a nice summary of real world effectiveness study of the COVID Vaccines already approved (EUA):

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness.html

I wonder how soon they'll release preliminary real-world data and how it'll match up to the phase iii data already released.

Edited to correct link
Nobody got a second dose outside of trials yet
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #413 on: December 25, 2020, 01:17:35 PM »
Nobody got a second dose outside of trials yet

Makes sense, but someone in the know has a better idea of how long this takes.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #414 on: December 25, 2020, 01:33:32 PM »
If anything, thinking that lots of money = vaccine in a few months when it’s never been done in less than four years is a boich sevara. Here what some who have been in the vaccine industry for decades have to say about it:
https://www.cgdev.org/blog/vaccine-preliminary-results-here-why-we-need-exercise-caution

https://theconversation.com/fast-covid-19-vaccine-timelines-are-unrealistic-and-put-the-integrity-of-scientists-at-risk-139824

This NYT article is older but it gives some insight into the process:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html
Are these people going to admit they were dead wrong?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #415 on: December 25, 2020, 01:51:10 PM »
I walked in to the kupa and they had nurses sitting their waiting for people to come, doing nothing. And extra doses available that would be thrown out end of day
They schedule 10 minutes for each vaccination appointment when in reality it takes 2 minutes

https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet

After defrosting, vaccines can be stored for 5 days at regular refrigerator temperatures of 2-8c

If doses are getting wasted for reasons like that that’s insane.
Allotting extra time per vaccination is preserving vaccines, if they would allot less time than it takes, they would run out of time before they run out of the scheduled doses.

Israel's lax prioritization is ensuring less waste. The more you limit the pool of people eligible to receive the vaccine, the harder it will be to find people to fill less likely vaccine slots - such as distant locations, odd times (some hospitals are vaccinating through the night), and surplus appointments that couldn't be guaranteed far enough in advance (staff surplus time, unpredictable no-shows, squeezing more doses out of the vials).

Israel should break 1m in a few days, 2m a week later, and get close to 3m before the second dose starts hogging capacity. Only 1.4m people over 65. Iyh Covid will be a thing of the past by Purim.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #416 on: December 28, 2020, 06:30:58 PM »
Just wow: 470 kg of RNA to vaccinate the entire world population.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #417 on: December 28, 2020, 09:51:41 PM »
https://t.co/e98Ywnkj4w?amp=1

Link to a private Facebook group for sharing locations in Israel that are providing excess vaccinations to anybody. Today they had some after 6pm at Yad Sarah etc
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #418 on: December 28, 2020, 11:25:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/abigailbimman/status/1343671958026776577?s=21

First government that is willing to risk giving only 1 dose, although it may be because the rest of the doses are already in transit and the number is small enough that they can rely on emergency replacements.
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