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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #460 on: January 01, 2021, 01:04:00 PM »
How complicated is it to set up 500 vaccination sites around the US, each staffed with 50 people and vaccinating a few thousand ppl per day?

US economy loses $16B every day from Covid. $16B would pay $32m for each of 500 sites...

As difficult and complicated as it is to pass legislation?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #461 on: January 01, 2021, 01:22:21 PM »
US economy loses $16B every day from Covid. $16B would pay $32m for each of 500 sites...
This is not how government crunches numbers.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #462 on: January 01, 2021, 01:33:46 PM »
How complicated is it to set up 500 vaccination sites around the US, each staffed with 50 people and vaccinating a few thousand ppl per day?

US economy loses $16B every day from Covid. $16B would pay $32m for each of 500 sites...

These sites won't make COVID disappear without:
1. Ample vaccine supply - at 1m+ doses/day at these sites Pfizer/Moderna might not supply enough to keep it going full steam
2. Demand - Thousands of unvaccinated people need to show up daily at each of these sites, but not too many or they'll leave and lost hope and not show up once again once demand starts to dwindle
3. Staffing and logistical process - With bureaucracy this would take time to set up efficiently and ramp up
4. Sites would need to be moved to locations with unvaccinated people once the local population is vaccinated or not interested and there are areas with higher demand.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #463 on: January 01, 2021, 03:31:40 PM »
As difficult and complicated as it is to pass legislation?
It ain't difficult to pass legalization. Lobbyists get the most random legislations passed all day long.
These sites won't make COVID disappear without:
1. Ample vaccine supply - at 1m+ doses/day at these sites Pfizer/Moderna might not supply enough to keep it going full steam
2. Demand - Thousands of unvaccinated people need to show up daily at each of these sites, but not too many or they'll leave and lost hope and not show up once again once demand starts to dwindle
3. Staffing and logistical process - With bureaucracy this would take time to set up efficiently and ramp up
4. Sites would need to be moved to locations with unvaccinated people once the local population is vaccinated or not interested and there are areas with higher demand.


There is no shortage of demand. As it is in Florida 80yo are waiting for 10+ hours. There are at least 50m people in the US who would wait 5 hours for a vaccine.

Covid isn't going away so fast, but vaccinating 10-20m high risk people will reduce most of the hospital overload and allow economies to reopen.

You offer $10m initial set up reward, you will have thousands of sites set up in a few days. You only need a few hundred government agents to verify compliance, there is no shortage of Federal & state agencies that can oversee it.

This is not how government crunches numbers.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #464 on: January 02, 2021, 08:31:08 PM »
It ain't difficult to pass legalization.

This latest piece of COVID legislation seemed mighty difficult to most of us.

Lobbyists get the most random legislations passed all day long.

So get the lobbyists on this case. I'm all for it.

My point was that any time the government is involved in anything it becomes complicated and difficult. Unfortunately.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #465 on: January 02, 2021, 08:44:07 PM »
This latest piece of COVID legislation seemed might difficult to most of us.

Lol. Passing sensible legislation is easy. Bullying the senate into taking a trillion dollars from American tax payers and giving it to poorer but not desperate people is difficult. Believe it or not Republicans, and especially their mega donors, play politics specifically for the purpose of blocking things like this.

We want our freedom from the government sticking its hand into our pocket and confiscating our money to bribe poorer voters.

The Republicans made a grave mistake of empowering an unprincipled conman who couldn’t care less about conservative values, and managed to irreversibly splinter their base.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #466 on: January 03, 2021, 10:59:50 AM »
On Tuesday, Bloomberg reported that Ohio’s vaccine rollout was moving relatively slow. While about 19.3% of vaccines had been used nationwide as of Dec. 21, according to Bloomberg, Ohio had used only 14.3% of its vaccine allotment.

DeWine declined to assign blame for the slow rollout, saying that the state was starting up an altogether new, large-scale vaccine program. The state's dashboard also is likely undercounting the true number of vaccines administered because some hospitals had trouble uploading data, he said.

Health care workers and those living and working in nursing homes and assisted living facilities already are receiving the vaccine, but DeWine said he had grown “impatient” with the pace of those who have been vaccinated.

On Wednesday, DeWine said he had a "candid discussion" with hospitals to talk about speeding up the rollout. He wants them to administer vaccines within 24 hours of receiving them and then update their records with the state within the day after.

“I’m just not satisfied with where we are in Ohio. We’re not moving fast enough. But we’re going to get there. We’re going to speed this thing up," he said.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/government/2020/12/30/gov-mike-dewine-give-final-scheduled-covid-19-briefing-wednesday/4056984001/
At 52.3%, OH is now number 2 in the nation (behind CT at 64.6%)) in % of available vaccines administered.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #467 on: January 03, 2021, 11:02:02 AM »
At 52.3%, OH is now number 2 in the nation (behind CT at 64.6%)) in % of available vaccines administered.

So they caught up, or there was never an issue in the first place?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #468 on: January 03, 2021, 11:03:38 AM »
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #469 on: January 03, 2021, 11:48:43 AM »
So they caught up, or there was never an issue in the first place?
BH - however I still feel there is too much of an emphasis being put on making sure that no one gets out of line then vaccinating people. Nothing is going to happen if a few over 75+ gats vaccinated even if they are not in a nursing home. We should look to Israel to see how it is getting done. They are putting the main emphasis on getting people vaccinated.
Not sure why there are still no vaccinations being done on holidays and weekends this is a state of emergency. There should be extended hours etc. etc.
Also the fact that those with antibodies are not being made to wait is highly questionable to say the least.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #470 on: January 03, 2021, 11:56:59 AM »
Not sure why there are still no vaccinations being done on holidays and weekends this is a state of emergency.
Criminal if true

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #471 on: January 03, 2021, 01:24:18 PM »
Criminal if true

Even the daily US vaccination charts show a significant dip during the weekends.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #472 on: January 03, 2021, 01:26:18 PM »
BH - however I still feel there is too much of an emphasis being put on making sure that no one gets out of line then vaccinating people. Nothing is going to happen if a few over 75+ gats vaccinated even if they are not in a nursing home. We should look to Israel to see how it is getting done. They are putting the main emphasis on getting people vaccinated.
Not sure why there are still no vaccinations being done on holidays and weekends this is a state of emergency. There should be extended hours etc. etc.
Also the fact that those with antibodies are not being made to wait is highly questionable to say the least.

I agree it’s too much of an emphasis, same with Cuomo in NY.

At the same time, you can’t compare to Israel because they have ample/steady supply to vaccinate nearly everyone within 3-4 months. Here in the US where supply is so scarce, priority is more significant.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #474 on: January 03, 2021, 03:52:05 PM »
I agree it’s too much of an emphasis, same with Cuomo in NY.

At the same time, you can’t compare to Israel because they have ample/steady supply to vaccinate nearly everyone within 3-4 months. Here in the US where supply is so scarce, priority is more significant.
This. It's not the actual injection that's delayed, it's getting the vaccines to the locations they're being administered. If a nursing home is scheduled to receive the vaccine, it really doesn't make a difference if it's administered on Saturday or they wait another 2 days until Monday.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #475 on: January 03, 2021, 04:14:54 PM »
This. It's not the actual injection that's delayed, it's getting the vaccines to the locations they're being administered. If a nursing home is scheduled to receive the vaccine, it really doesn't make a difference if it's administered on Saturday or they wait another 2 days until Monday.
Why not you are delaying them being immune for another 2 days where is the sense of urgency?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #476 on: January 03, 2021, 08:01:31 PM »
Passing sensible legislation is easy. Bullying the senate into taking a trillion dollars from American tax payers and giving it to poorer but not desperate people is difficult.

We want our freedom from the government sticking its hand into our pocket and confiscating our money to bribe poorer voters.
Very true.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #477 on: January 03, 2021, 08:25:23 PM »
irreversibly splinter their base.
why do you say that?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #478 on: January 03, 2021, 09:45:50 PM »
why do you say that?
Trump has a solid grip on at least 10% of the GOP voters, likely closer to 30%. They will no longer be able to join moderate Republicans and especially Independents.

Do you have any doubt what will happen if Ivanka Trump runs against Marco Rubio?

Loeffler & Perdue are forced to either side with Cruz & his 11 Trumpsters, or the GA Governor and the mainstream GOP, and lost support from the opposite group? Look how the polls shifted dramatically in the D favor

Do you really think 2024 debates won't force candidates to take a position if Biden is or isn't the real president?
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #479 on: January 03, 2021, 10:15:46 PM »
Trump has a solid grip on at least 10% of the GOP voters, likely closer to 30%. They will no longer be able to join moderate Republicans and especially Independents.

Do you have any doubt what will happen if Ivanka Trump runs against Marco Rubio?

Loeffler & Perdue are forced to either side with Cruz & his 11 Trumpsters, or the GA Governor and the mainstream GOP, and lost support from the opposite group? Look how the polls shifted dramatically in the D favor

Do you really think 2024 debates won't force candidates to take a position if Biden is or isn't the real president?
Meh
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