Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?

[aygart]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-vaccine-delays.html

For two weeks, more than half of the supply sat in freezers. At other clinics in the city, small numbers of unused doses have even been thrown out.

[AsherO]

From what I know, the balance of Professional opinion and data leans towards maintaining the tested 2 does regimen.

What they could and should do IMO is test a single dose regimen.

Wouldn't that take too long?

[PlatinumGuy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-vaccine-delays.html

For two weeks, more than half of the supply sat in freezers. At other clinics in the city, small numbers of unused doses have even been thrown out.

Horrible

Wouldn't that take too long?

We should still start. There is no telling how long immunity lasts and how many vaccines we will ultimately need

[aygart]

Horrible

This is literally the outcome of Cuomo's stupidity but I don't expect you to realize that.

There was no other place for this to end up. Start penalizing them for this and they stop administering the vaccine altogether.

[aygart]

https://twitter.com/winsjuliet/status/1347584146986692609

[yuneeq]

https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-information/slowing-the-spread/where-how-and-when-can-i-get-vaccinated

Good news as of yesterday - seniors ages 75+ in NJ can now get vaccinated, which for some reason I haven’t seen it publicized. Practically speaking I wonder where they can sign up to get vaccinated.

[Mf1]

In ny, now that they are officially entering 1b that includes teachers, does that officially include special ed. Paras?

[zh cohen]

From what I know, the balance of Professional opinion and data leans towards maintaining the tested 2 does regimen.

What they could and should do IMO is test a single dose regimen.

This isn't about switching to 1 dose. It's about relying on future production for the second dose.

[Moshe123]

Pfizer has no financial incentive to test one dose...

[PlatinumGuy]

Pfizer has no financial incentive to test one dose...

They would make much more money charging twice the price for the 1st dose and selling twice as many. Any way, competent government can run a trial without them or just buy the IP.

[AsherO]

They would make much more money charging twice the price for the 1st dose and selling twice as many. Any way, competent government can run a trial without them or just buy the IP.

Maybe, but Pfizer’s expertise here (manufacturing know how and mRNA IP) goes beyond the COVID vaccine and is something they’re likely holding close to their chest for that reason.

[PlatinumGuy]

Maybe, but Pfizer’s expertise here (manufacturing know how and mRNA IP) goes beyond the COVID vaccine and is something they’re likely holding close to their chest for that reason.

I agree, that appears to be the case. We can buy out Pfizer though. Give shareholders 1.5x market value.

[AsherO]

I agree, that appears to be the case. We can buy out Pfizer though. Give shareholders 1.5x market value.

Never gonna happen. Besides, the federal government hostile takeover of a public company sounds like a bad precedent.

[Dan]

Never gonna happen. Besides, the federal government hostile takeover of a public company sounds like a bad precedent.

Why does it need to be hostile?

[AsherO]

Why does it need to be hostile?

If the government started buying up shares on the open market Pfizer might cost them more than 1.5x current market cap. But maybe I used the wrong term.

[PlatinumGuy]

I'm sure there's a deal to be made for the IP if the government would be interested. Remember putting the technology in the public domain for further R&D can be extremely beneficial to society. The bigger question to me is how much untaped manufacturing capacity exists outside of the current companies.

[yzj]

WHO says not in 2021
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/covid-herd-immunity-will-not-happen-in-2021-says-who/a-56197701

[yelped]

WHO says not in 2021
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/covid-herd-immunity-will-not-happen-in-2021-says-who/a-56197701

WHO?

[AsherO]

WHO?

World Health Organization, not to be trusted on anything related to COVID, maybe on anything at all.

Though they’re absolutely right about this, especially in the 3rd world.

[Euclid]

WHO says not in 2021
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/covid-herd-immunity-will-not-happen-in-2021-says-who/a-56197701

Was "global herd immunity" really your intent behind the OP?? Because, until recent posts, that clearly wasn't the subject under debate.

ETA: apparently I'm wrong - you've been beating this drum most of this thread. Though seems like the rest of the participants here have been focusing on US/Israel.