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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #840 on: April 18, 2021, 05:14:29 PM »
It's still only April. If Canada isn't fully vaccinated by late summer/early fall, there needs to be a national reckoning
Itís certainly possible but Canada sure has a dismal track record. Right now just 2% of their population is fully vaccinated. People getting first shots in Ontario this week were being scheduled for their second shots in August.
 https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #841 on: April 22, 2021, 11:15:11 PM »
There are endless mRNA vaccine appointments available in NYC since the past week or two, even with J&J on pause. Weíve reached the tipping point despite less than half of Americans getting vaccinated. I find this to be very worrisome.

Yes, many of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, but we still have a long way to go to put this pandemic behind us domestically, let alone globally.

Iím afraid many thousands of doses are going to waste daily, and that isnít being sufficiently covered.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #842 on: April 22, 2021, 11:34:21 PM »
There are endless mRNA vaccine appointments available in NYC since the past week or two, even with J&J on pause. Weíve reached the tipping point despite less than half of Americans getting vaccinated. I find this to be very worrisome.

Yes, many of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, but we still have a long way to go to put this pandemic behind us domestically, let alone globally.

Iím afraid many thousands of doses are going to waste daily, and that isnít being sufficiently covered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/21/vaccinations-downturn-jj-pause-soft-demand/

11% decrease in demand.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #843 on: April 22, 2021, 11:57:28 PM »
There are endless mRNA vaccine appointments available in NYC since the past week or two, even with J&J on pause. Weíve reached the tipping point despite less than half of Americans getting vaccinated. I find this to be very worrisome.

Yes, many of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, but we still have a long way to go to put this pandemic behind us domestically, let alone globally.

Iím afraid many thousands of doses are going to waste daily, and that isnít being sufficiently covered.

Aside from the regular FUD and anti-vax sentiment, I think the J&J pause plays a big part in the drop in demand. I also think that news of Pfizer and Moderna working on a second version may be influencing some people to wait for 2.0. There are probably a few other factors, like political and social distractions diminishing the urgency in some people's minds. Momentum will probably pick up again. I don't know what the catalyst will be.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #844 on: April 23, 2021, 01:11:37 AM »
Remember, older people who were eligible earlier usually have an easier time finding time to get the vaccine. Younger people who work, might still be interested, but have less opportunity to get it, so it will take time. (Also people in certain places of employment like schools were given a day off to get their shot) I wonder if there are less appointments available on weekends...

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #845 on: April 23, 2021, 08:00:11 AM »
Aside from the regular FUD and anti-vax sentiment, I think the J&J pause plays a big part in the drop in demand. I also think that news of Pfizer and Moderna working on a second version may be influencing some people to wait for 2.0. There are probably a few other factors, like political and social distractions diminishing the urgency in some people's minds. Momentum will probably pick up again. I don't know what the catalyst will be.

All good points, but what happens in the interim as many thousands of mRNA vaccine doses sit around unused.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #846 on: April 23, 2021, 08:07:20 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/21/vaccinations-downturn-jj-pause-soft-demand/

11% decrease in demand.

Stupid vaccine confidence poll that included already-vaccinated people in the survey.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #847 on: April 23, 2021, 08:10:45 AM »
All good points, but what happens in the interim as many thousands of mRNA vaccine doses sit around unused.

The same thing that happens to bread on a grocery store shelf: it either gets used, or it expires and gets tossed. And then we make some more, rinse and repeat as needed.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #848 on: April 23, 2021, 08:17:09 AM »
The same thing that happens to bread on a grocery store shelf: it either gets used, or it expires and gets tossed. And then we make some more, rinse and repeat as needed.

Thereís gotta be a way to optimize this better so we can do with less waste and share with those who are desperately in need of what we have. Thatís true for both bread and vaccines.

Waste is a product of cheit eitz hadaas, and when Moshiach comes there will be optimal resource management so that nothing goes to waste and no one hungers. We are already seeing the beginnings of natural pathways toward that goal.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #849 on: April 23, 2021, 08:23:35 AM »
Thereís gotta be a way to optimize this better so we can do with less waste and share with those who are desperately in need of what we have. Thatís true for both bread and vaccines.

Waste is a product of cheit eitz hadaas, and when Moshiach comes there will be optimal resource management so that nothing goes to waste and no one hungers. We are already seeing the beginnings of natural pathways toward that goal.

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+100. We live in a society with an insane amounts of waste. IMO, vaccines won't get special treatment.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #850 on: April 23, 2021, 09:15:24 AM »
Aside from the regular FUD and anti-vax sentiment, I think the J&J pause plays a big part in the drop in demand.
https://twitter.com/yougovamerica/status/1382692409495199748
https://twitter.com/benwakana46/status/1382436908689657867

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #851 on: April 23, 2021, 09:21:02 AM »
+100. We live in a society with an insane amounts of waste. IMO, vaccines won't get special treatment.
For America, itís better to waste vaccines than to waste time and money optimizing delivery, and even more importantly, the most important factor by far is to reach maximum population by making it as readily available as possible.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #852 on: April 23, 2021, 04:54:17 PM »
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BREAKING: CDC panel votes to resume using Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #853 on: April 23, 2021, 07:12:36 PM »
For America, itís better to waste vaccines than to waste time and money optimizing delivery, and even more importantly, the most important factor by far is to reach maximum population by making it as readily available as possible.

True, but what degree of waste is tolerable when other countries, even affluent western ones, donít have adequate vaccine supply.
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #854 on: April 24, 2021, 11:51:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/yougovamerica/status/1382692409495199748

I think it would be more accurate to say that it dropped confidence by 28%
It was +26 and now it's -2

https://twitter.com/benwakana46/status/1382436908689657867

I can't see the image he posted. Is it a different poll?

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #855 on: April 25, 2021, 12:01:57 AM »
I think it would be more accurate to say that it dropped confidence by 28%
It was +26 and now it's -2

I can't see the image he posted. Is it a different poll?
First is Johnson and Johnson specific (safe -15, unsafe +13)
Second is *all* COVID vaccines (More confident theyíre safe 58%, less confident 23%)
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #856 on: April 25, 2021, 12:02:44 AM »
I think it would be more accurate to say that it dropped confidence by 28%
It was +26 and now it's -2
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #857 on: August 03, 2021, 04:17:59 PM »
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/07/29/johns-hopkins-press-conference-coronavirus-pandemic-latest/

Can any places other than China keep up social distancing protocols for another 15 months? Or are we going to continue to see increasing flare-up and waves as countries throw in the towel?

Bunch of boich svaros.
There has never been this much money thrown at making and distributing a vaccine before.

Widely available = enough to remove all commerce and lifestyle restrictions nationwide (or in other words, having the entire country act as if they live in WB, BP, CH or KJ).

Iíd put money down that that wonít happen before summer 2021 at the very earliest.

This has actually aged pretty well...

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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #858 on: August 03, 2021, 04:22:35 PM »
This has actually aged pretty well...
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Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
« Reply #859 on: December 26, 2021, 02:04:42 PM »
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/07/29/johns-hopkins-press-conference-coronavirus-pandemic-latest/

Can any places other than China keep up social distancing protocols for another 15 months? Or are we going to continue to see increasing flare-up and waves as countries throw in the towel?

Well, itís now the end of 2021 and....