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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2020, 08:48:22 AM »
You are confusing voting republican and voting for a scumbag.
When was the last time a you were able Too vote for someone that wasnít a scumbag? George W?

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2020, 08:50:40 AM »
While I can't speak for the authors of the letter, my takeaway was that there are 2 issues:

1) Who I should vote for - both in terms of people and parties, and

2) Do I need to agree with everything they (or their party) says, and make sure my views align with every one of their positions.

I think #2 is especially important in today's polarized climate, where the pressure is to take sides on everything.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2020, 11:35:28 AM »
When was the last time a you were able Too vote for someone that wasnít a scumbag? George W?
I will never vote for a scumbag. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. 😡
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2020, 11:36:41 AM »
When the choices are between two of those, if you happen to live in a state where your vote counts, you vote based on important issues, despite the fact that no matter how you vote it will be for a s....
If that is how you justify voting for a scumbag then so be it.
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2020, 11:41:43 AM »
I will never vote for a scumbag. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. 😡
I don't vote for a person's ethical or moral personal life. I vote for his policies and ability to lead this country through crises. If I vote for clergy my recommendations would be totally different.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2020, 11:48:43 AM »
How a complete scumbag, void of ethical and moral standards could be good for this country is beyond me. I guess everyone justifies their vote somehow.

So many of the same individuals were complaining about Clinton's behavior. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2020, 11:54:35 AM »
How a complete scumbag, void of ethical and moral standards could be good for this country is beyond me. I guess everyone justifies their vote somehow.


You have three years to prove he can be productive for the country... You don't have to guess anymore

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2020, 11:56:52 AM »
How a complete scumbag, void of ethical and moral standards could be good for this country is beyond me. I guess everyone justifies their vote somehow.

So many of the same individuals were complaining about Clinton's behavior. Hypocrisy at its finest.
It really all boils down to this:
They are all moral SCUMBAGS, the exact levels are irrelevant to me because
As Frum Jews we don't replace religion with government and we don't view our politicians (or athletes, for that matter) as arbiters of moral values, they are nothing more than the sum of their policies.
In other words, we only look at them for their value as PUBLIC SERVANTS, not as ROLE MODELS.
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2020, 11:58:00 AM »
You have three years to prove he can be productive for the country... You don't have to guess anymore
You are missing the point. There is no way a scumbag like that has what's best for our country in mind. He cares only about himself.
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2020, 11:59:56 AM »
You are missing the point. There is no way a scumbag like that has what's best for our country in mind. He cares only about himself.
True. However, if his best interests happen to correlate with what's best for our country much more so than anyone else who is running, many people would consider that a reason to vote for him despite his scumbagness.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2020, 12:01:05 PM »
How a complete scumbag, void of ethical and moral standards could be good for this country is beyond me. I guess everyone justifies their vote somehow.

So many of the same individuals were complaining about Clinton's behavior. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Jewish people dont usually align with parties because if a certain party (for example now like the democrats who are anti semetic or are OK with anti semetic remarks) act a certain way we arent ok with & we are aligned with them its a problem.  As long as we are in exile we pray for the peace of the country we are in no matter who is in charge. We are disliked in both parties, some say it openly & some dont.

Reform & conservative jews dont have an issue with the democrat agendas as their lifestyle can adjust to that. An orthodox jew cannot go along with the democrats ideas & "ideal vision for the USA". Our torah does not allow many of these laws they want to be OK. And I am sure many religious Christians feel the same.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2020, 12:01:14 PM »
You are missing the point. There is no way a scumbag like that has what's best for our country in mind. He cares only about himself.
And that is not necessarily a contradiction of what's best for our country. He wants to be successful and therefore he acts and doesn't only talk.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2020, 12:02:00 PM »
You are missing the point. There is no way a scumbag like that has what's best for our country in mind. He cares only about himself.
My plumber also only cares about himself, but he gets the job done so Ill hire him again
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2020, 12:07:03 PM »
My plumber also only cares about himself, but he gets the job done so Ill hire him again
To think that Obama or any other president doesn't only think about themselves is foolish... They are just a little more shrewd in fooling you.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2020, 01:13:54 PM »
They are just a little more shrewd in fooling you.
I am the one being fooled. Thanks for a good laugh. 😁
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2020, 01:16:36 PM »
As Frum Jews we don't replace religion with government and we don't view our politicians (or athletes, for that matter) as arbiters of moral values, they are nothing more than the sum of their policies.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2020, 01:18:57 PM »
I am the one being fooled. Thanks for a good laugh. 😁

Said every single person who has been fooled by anyone ever.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2020, 01:53:35 PM »
How a complete scumbag, void of ethical and moral standards could be good for this country is beyond me. I guess everyone justifies their vote somehow.

So many of the same individuals were complaining about Clinton's behavior. Hypocrisy at its finest.
which part of Clintons behavior?

Clinton's behavior in the oval office?
Clinton's lying under oath live for everyone to see?

let me know which one you want to compare to anything trump did IN OFFICE and then we can argue.
#TYH

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2020, 03:00:23 PM »
which part of Clintons behavior?

Clinton's behavior in the oval office?
Clinton's lying under oath live for everyone to see?

let me know which one you want to compare to anything trump did IN OFFICE and then we can argue.
That ended with the guy from Little rock, AR.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2020, 03:28:27 PM »
I guess itís best not to bring up JFK