Open letter to the Frum community

[etech0]

If your vote is based on value-sharing, you may have trouble finding someone to vote for

[ExGingi]

It can still be helpful for them to see a block of supporters. I think that the news articles of how the orthodox were from the few areas in NYC and NJ that went overwhelmingly for Trump had a very big effect on some of his actions.

Very possible. But IINM that happened without any rabbinical endorsement.

The bottom line is that לב מלכים ושרים ביד השם.

[CountValentine]

If your vote is based on value-sharing, you may have trouble finding someone to vote for

...but is someone that shares 1 of your values better then someone who shares 0?

[aygart]

...but is someone that shares 1 of your values better then someone who shares 0?

Typically, but what about someone who shares one but actively works to undermine others?

[aygart]

Very possible. But IINM that happened without any rabbinical endorsement.

The bottom line is that לב מלכים ושרים ביד השם.

Yes it did, but is a reason why does are not irrelevant even in those states.

[Kobe Bryant]

I hear you, but I think there are differences between value-sharing and practical decision-making that's costing people lives. (Just for example, the legal status of gay marriage, which regardless of the values of the winner, is highly unlikely to change.) 

If people genuinely and honestly think about the two options in terms of halachik imperative, examining and weighing those preventable deaths against practical halachik implications of a Biden presidency, then okay. But if people don't care about those deaths because they won't primarily occur in the Jewish community, and if they don't care about them in the face of increasing their own prosperity, then I just have a hard time believing those people are making a choice with proper consideration of Torah values.

You would first need to make the case, how there are preventable deaths that can be attributed to a Trump presidency that a Biden Harris presidency will prevent.

[CountValentine]

When Biden goes to church he prays to G-d. When Trump goes to church he gasses innocent protesters. Which of these is more consistent with your views?

[jsocpa]

One candidate has had 5 children with three different women.  One candidate is married to the first First Lady I have ever seen nude.  One candidate revealed classified information endangering an Israeli spy placed inside ISIS.  One candidate was required to pay $2 million to charity to make up for the funds misused by his foundation.  These seem like your principles?

[aygart]

One candidate has had 5 children with three different women.  One candidate is married to the first First Lady I have ever seen nude.  One candidate revealed classified information endangering an Israeli spy placed inside ISIS.  One candidate was required to pay $2 million to charity to make up for the funds misused by his foundation.  These seem like your principles?

Which one of these s a policy?

[CountValentine]

One candidate has had 5 children with three different women.  One candidate is married to the first First Lady I have ever seen nude.  One candidate revealed classified information endangering an Israeli spy placed inside ISIS.  One candidate was required to pay $2 million to charity to make up for the funds misused by his foundation.  These seem like your principles?

Not my principals.

[jsocpa]

Which one of these s a policy?

How about going before the press with no evidence (in fact evidence to the contrary) stating the Beirut explosion was an attack/bomb?  How quickly do you think that was propagated on social media that Israel was behind it? 

[CountValentine]

How about going before the press with no evidence (in fact evidence to the contrary) stating the Beirut explosion was an attack/bomb?  How quickly do you think that was propagated on social media that Israel was behind it?

I would say about 30 seconds from what I seen. The anti-Semites could not come out of the woodwork fast enough.

[aygart]

How about going before the press with no evidence (in fact evidence to the contrary) stating the Beirut explosion was an attack/bomb?  How quickly do you think that was propagated on social media that Israel was behind it?

Okay, and?

[Jellybelly]

How about going before the press with no evidence (in fact evidence to the contrary) stating the Beirut explosion was an attack/bomb?  How quickly do you think that was propagated on social media that Israel was behind it?

Days later the prime minister of lebonon said he couldn’t rule it out

[zh cohen]

How quickly do you think that was propagated on social media that Israel was behind it?

Do you seriously believe that Trump saying that made even 1 more person blame Israel?

[CountValentine]

Days later the prime minister of lebonon said he couldn’t rule it out

He can't rule out the US was behind it either. 

[zh cohen]

Days later the prime minister of lebonon said he couldn’t rule it out

Are you claiming that Trump doesn't say lots of stupid stuff?

[Jellybelly]

Are you claiming that Trump doesn't say lots of stupid stuff?

Nope, I guess I’m not the only one with a reading comprehension issue

[CountValentine]

Nope, I guess I’m not the only one with a reading comprehension issue

Correct, there are others. 

[Kobe Bryant]

How about going before the press with no evidence (in fact evidence to the contrary) stating the Beirut explosion was an attack/bomb?  How quickly do you think that was propagated on social media that Israel was behind it?

I'm old enough to remember Benghazi and the Sunday Talk shows.