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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2020, 03:00:13 PM »
I don't know, who said that?

You did. In your words:

You said you vote based on policies in November. That does not equate to what is best for the country.

Why do you assume that the policies I vote for are based on what is best for me personally and not based on what I feel is best for the country?
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2020, 03:03:23 PM »
Going to disagree.

You can say that there are people who vote based on what is best for the country, but you cannot argue that "the idea of everyone buying in what's good for the country" [sic] exists. You can't even argue that the majority of voters put country over self, let alone everyone.
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2020, 03:09:19 PM »
You did. In your words:

Why do you assume that the policies I vote for are based on what is best for me personally and not based on what I feel is best for the country?
You left out the last line. Those policies might be best for the country or might not be.
Because you or anyone votes based on policies doesn't automatically mean they are best for the country. They could but the opposite is also true.
This all in context of you quoting my question of: Do you ever get to the point of what is best for our country?
You implied that in November we vote what is best for our country. 
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2020, 03:10:50 PM »
You can say that there are people who vote based on what is best for the country, but you cannot argue that "the idea of everyone buying in what's good for the country" [sic] exists. You can't even argue that the majority of voters put country over self, let alone everyone.
When we have a leader that only cares about himself and the sheep following him what do you expect?  :)
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2020, 03:14:29 PM »
When we have a leader that only cares about himself and the sheep following him what do you expect?  :)
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2020, 03:15:08 PM »
Hold your horses, Joe's not president yet.
What flavor Kool-Aid today?
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2020, 03:16:45 PM »
You left out the last line. Those policies might be best for the country or might not be.
Because you or anyone votes based on policies doesn't automatically mean they are best for the country. They could but the opposite is true.
This all in context of you quoting my question of: Do you ever get to the point of what is best for our country?
You implied that in November we vote what is best for our country.

Sorry, but that's pretty twisted. No one knows in absolutes what is best for the country. All we have are ideas, theories, and beliefs. To say that I'm not voting on what's best for the country because I may ultimately be wrong doesn't change the fact that I am voting in November based on what I think is best for the country and not myself.
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2020, 03:17:46 PM »
When we have a leader that only cares about himself and the sheep following him what do you expect?  :)

Come on, this isn't the new. This is the way it has been since 1776.
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2020, 03:18:09 PM »
What flavor Kool-Aid today?
Blue, duh. Go Biden!
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #109 on: August 12, 2020, 03:31:53 PM »
Sorry, but that's pretty twisted. No one knows in absolutes what is best for the country. All we have are ideas, theories, and beliefs. To say that I'm not voting on what's best for the country because I may ultimately be wrong doesn't change the fact that I am voting in November based on what I think is best for the country and not myself.
I am not saying if your voting is what's best for the country or not. You said said you are voting on policies. I have no idea if you believe those policies are best for the country. I see what you are saying but you look right past what I am saying.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #110 on: August 12, 2020, 03:38:12 PM »
When we have a leader that only cares about himself and the sheep following him what do you expect?  :)

unbelievable, just unbelievable. you have got to get more creative than that!

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #111 on: August 12, 2020, 03:44:19 PM »
I am not saying if your voting is what's best for the country or not. You said said you are voting on policies. I have no idea if you believe those policies are best for the country. I see what you are saying but you look right past what I am saying.

I'm not looking past it, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Are you trying to say that there is a point where the person is more important than the policies?
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #112 on: August 12, 2020, 05:11:31 PM »
I'm not looking past it, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Are you trying to say that there is a point where the person is more important than the policies?
I am saying you (not you personally) can vote for policies that are detrimental to the country but not to oneself. So voting for policies in November does not automatically mean you are voting for what is best for the country.
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #113 on: August 12, 2020, 05:13:24 PM »
unbelievable, just unbelievable. you have got to get more creative than that!
Sometimes just the basics are better.  ;)
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #114 on: August 12, 2020, 05:20:13 PM »
I am saying you (not you personally) can vote for policies that are detrimental to the country but not to oneself. So voting for policies in November does not automatically mean you are voting for what is best for the country.

Getting back to the point, can we agree that the vote in November should always be about the policies and not the politicians or parties? Because if you want to put the country first, that is the only way to accomplish that goal.
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #115 on: August 12, 2020, 07:11:14 PM »
Because if you want to put the country first, that is the only way to accomplish that goal.

Not necessarily true. You have to take into account how having immoral "leaders" influences society.

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #116 on: August 12, 2020, 07:18:39 PM »
Getting back to the point, can we agree that the vote in November should always be about the policies and not the politicians or parties? Because if you want to put the country first, that is the only way to accomplish that goal.
The point was putting the country first. At least that was the point you responded to that started this.  :)
I don't agree Nov should be only about policies.
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #117 on: August 12, 2020, 07:18:58 PM »
Hold your horses, Joe's Kamala is not president yet.
FTFY

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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #118 on: August 12, 2020, 07:23:01 PM »
FTFY
A strong, black, independent women. You have any hair left?  :P
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Re: Open letter to the Frum community
« Reply #119 on: August 12, 2020, 07:24:45 PM »
A strong, black, independent women. You have any hair left?  :P
Independent??
I’m assuming you mean she only cares about herself and no one else 🤷🏻‍♂️