Author Topic: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread (Read 36930 times)

CountValentine · « **Reply #140 on:** August 18, 2020, 10:13:17 AM »

Quote from: Jellybelly on August 18, 2020, 10:11:32 AM

But it seems like you already came to a conclusion🙄

You mean giving Trump credit? Yes you are correct but it was with a qualifier. When the facts come out we will see if it was just to buy some votes.

zh cohen · « **Reply #141 on:** August 18, 2020, 10:19:18 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 09:26:43 AM

...but others in Israel say it was part of the deal.

Do you mean the Israeli reporter? The article you posted doesn't name anyone else as the source for the claim.

(Disclaimer: I think Trump is wrong to sell advanced weapons to the UAE, and if this deal is what allowed that to happen it's not a good thing. However, from the article posted above it seems like Trump was going to sell the weapons regardless, and the deal was not connected to that sale (except perhaps Bibi making the best of a bad situation.))

aygart · « **Reply #142 on:** August 18, 2020, 10:21:46 AM »

Quote from: zh cohen on August 18, 2020, 10:19:18 AM

Do you mean the Israeli reporter? The article you posted doesn't name anyone else as the source for the claim.

(Disclaimer: I think Trump is wrong to sell advanced weapons to the UAE, and if this deal is what allowed that to happen it's not a good thing. However, from the article posted above it seems like Trump was going to sell the weapons regardless, and the deal was not connected to that sale (except perhaps Bibi making the best of a bad situation.))

Which would reflect VERY poorly on Trump regarding his Israel policies.

CountValentine · « **Reply #143 on:** August 18, 2020, 10:22:55 AM »

Quote from: zh cohen on August 18, 2020, 10:19:18 AM

Do you mean the Israeli reporter? The article you posted doesn't name anyone else as the source for the claim.

This is how it starts. We need to wait and see what else comes out and from who.

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #144 on:** August 18, 2020, 01:48:21 PM »

Add Sudan.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/israel-news/sudan-foreign-ministry-says-it-looks-forward-to-peace-with-israel-report-639088/amp

ExGingi · « **Reply #145 on:** August 18, 2020, 02:08:37 PM »

Quote from: Kobe bryent on August 18, 2020, 01:48:21 PM

Add Sudan.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/israel-news/sudan-foreign-ministry-says-it-looks-forward-to-peace-with-israel-report-639088/amp

It will take as much time as it will, but one by one Arab and Muslim countries will "give up" on the "Palestinian issue" as a problem that isn't theirs to be concerned with, and will do what's best for their own interest.

gozalim · « **Reply #146 on:** August 18, 2020, 03:11:33 PM »

so long as Israel maintains the brains (and perhaps more importantly the b***s) that

Quote from: ExGingi on August 18, 2020, 02:08:37 PM

The "Palestinian issue" as a problem that isn't theirs to be concerned with, and will do what's best for their own interest.

yesitsme · « **Reply #147 on:** August 18, 2020, 03:55:32 PM »

@CountValentine where can read your thoughts on Gush Katif how it helped the process?

CountValentine · « **Reply #148 on:** August 18, 2020, 04:02:00 PM »

Quote from: yesitsme on August 18, 2020, 03:55:32 PM

@CountValentine where can read your thoughts on Gush Katif how it helped the process?

Never commented on it let alone said it helped the process.

tavster · « **Reply #149 on:** August 23, 2020, 10:39:56 AM »

Bloomberg : 'POMPEO TO TRAVEL TO ISRAEL, SUDAN, BAHRAIN, UAE FROM AUG 23-28'

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #150 on:** August 24, 2020, 01:53:41 PM »

United Arab Emirates (UAE) has cancelled a meeting with Israel and the United States over PM Netanyahu's statements against the an F-35 deal.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-august-24-2020/

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #151 on:** August 31, 2020, 09:04:07 AM »

Historic public meeting: Israeli National security adviser Meir Ben Shabbat meets UAE's @AnwarGargash

Also in the meeting, Trump adviser Kushner and NSC.

justaregularguy · « **Reply #152 on:** August 31, 2020, 10:01:27 AM »

Quote from: Kobe bryent on August 31, 2020, 09:04:07 AM

Historic public meeting: Israeli National security adviser Meir Ben Shabbat meets UAE's @AnwarGargash

Also in the meeting, Trump adviser Kushner and NSC.

i dont know, id be freaked out to be sitting there.(shudders) I just live in my stereotypical bubble where the only arabs i see are in isreal and they look at you like they really hate you.

Dan · « **Reply #153 on:** August 31, 2020, 10:16:32 AM »

Quote from: justaregularguy on August 31, 2020, 10:01:27 AM

i dont know, id be freaked out to be sitting there.(shudders) I just live in my stereotypical bubble where the only arabs i see are in isreal and they look at you like they really hate you.

It's not like that outside of Israel.

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #154 on:** August 31, 2020, 10:39:32 AM »

Quote from: justaregularguy on August 31, 2020, 10:01:27 AM

i dont know, id be freaked out to be sitting there.(shudders) I just live in my stereotypical bubble where the only arabs i see are in isreal and they look at you like they really hate you.

Understandable when you live in Israel and your prism is that of terrorism and hatred from the arab neighbors, but outside of Israel (and in Israel as well), I've had many very pleasant interactions with Islamic arabs.

ExGingi · « **Reply #155 on:** August 31, 2020, 10:49:33 AM »

Quote from: Dan on August 31, 2020, 10:16:32 AM

It's not like that outside of Israel.

Depends where. Egypt and Jordan aren't very safe for Jews who are easily visible as such.

The major difference between this (and the coming agreements with other Gulf nations) and the one's forged by the Israeli left (I know Begin was Likud, but he was literally forced into it by major left-wing forces) with Egypt and Jordan was that in this case there isn't widespread popular resentment and hatred towards Jews and the State of Israel and the agreement just removes legal barriers and formalizes FRIENDLY cooperation that was previously in place.

In the case of Egypt and Jordan there is widespread popular hatred and opposition to any peace and cooperation with Jews or the State of Israel. The agreements formalized what was in place prior to that, security cooperation and some trade. The population in Egypt and Jordan (and to a lesser extent in Morrocco) doesn't like the peaceful and open relations with Jews and with the State of Israel.

ETA:

While in Germany in 2019 it was "advised" for Jews to stop using kippah to avoid attacks... in the UAE insulting anyone because of religion or ethnicity, is ILLEGAL! So, Jews, don't be afraid! If you suffer any hate speech (won't happen) report it to the local authorities!
🇦🇪❣🇮🇱
— Peace to Jews and Arabs 🇦🇪🇮🇱🇧🇭🕊️ (@UAE_YOT2019) August 30, 2020

ExGingi · « **Reply #156 on:** August 31, 2020, 11:02:27 AM »

And one of the top Israeli delegates speaking in Arabic at the ceremony upon arrival.

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Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #157 on:** September 04, 2020, 10:55:24 AM »

BarryLincoln · « **Reply #158 on:** September 04, 2020, 12:24:56 PM »

Next in line... Kosovo and Serbia

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-economic-serbia-kosovo-white-house

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #159 on:** September 04, 2020, 02:43:05 PM »

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