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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #760 on: March 09, 2023, 07:55:05 AM »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/368487
"Protests based on a fundamental misunderstanding," says Rothman.

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What are the two sides of the judicial reform debate? According to MK Simcha Rothman, the chairman of the Knesset's Constitution, Law, and Justice Committee, many of those protesting against the government lack a fundamental understanding of how legislation is crafted and as such, their protests are not only misguided - they are actually counterproductive. "Virtually every piece of legislation undergoes change as it goes through the various channels, from committee to Knesset plenum and back and forth again," Rothman explained, speaking on Reshet Bet on Thursday. "The government puts forward a thesis, the opposition presents an antithesis, and in the end a synthesis emerges. I don't even want to pass the legislation exactly as it was written in the precise language it appears in the draft. It will be changed and it should be changed. "With regard to the outline presented by Friedman and Elbashan, they brought up important points that I hadn't considered and I am in favor of adopting them," he added. Rothman stressed that instead of participating in the process, as is the task of a responsible opposition, MKs from the anti-government camp are boycotting the process, essentially choosing to bypass the democratic route and holding the entire country hostage with ongoing protests that severely disrupt daily life. "When I started the legislative process I told the members of the Constitution Committee that we would begin without a text in place, in order to formulate the reforms together," he told Radio 103FM. "How did they respond? The opposition MKs sent me a letter insisting that I had to first present a text, otherwise they would boycott the discussions. "So, what I did was very simple: I took several versions of previous bills, such as one requiring that all 15 of the justices on the Supreme Court bench be in agreement in order for them to disqualify a law passed by the Knesset. I suggested we set it all out and start from there. But the opposition is refusing to discuss anything. Over the past week, there have been zero discussions, because they are not willing to debate. "Some of these are people who have, in the past, called for talks with Hamas," he noted, "but when it comes to Bibi [the Prime Minister], [Justice Minister Yariv] Levin, and Rothman, that's going too far. "So, what's to be done? Should we halt the legislation because the opposition refuses to be our partner in the legislative process? We are moving forward with the legislation because this is what we promised our voters and because it is the right thing to do for the good of the entire country. There's no question about this. And the reforms will undergo changes in committee. That's important for the public to know. The public should know the real facts."
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #761 on: March 09, 2023, 11:23:35 AM »
Saudi Arabia Asks US Concessions for Normalizing Israel Ties:WSJ

By Dion Nissenbaum in Washington, Dov Lieber in Tel Aviv and Stephen Kalin in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

(Dow Jones) -- Saudi Arabia is asking the U.S. to provide security guarantees and help to develop its civilian nuclear program as Washington tries to broker diplomatic relations between the kingdom and Israel, people involved in discussions between the two countries said.

Striking a normalization deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia has become a priority for President Biden and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu amid a looming confrontation with Iran over its nuclear program and military aid to Russia during the Ukraine war. The Biden administration is deeply involved in the complex negotiations, the people said, and any deal would reshape the Middle East's political landscape.

The Saudi demands for security guarantees and nuclear aid are among the daunting obstacles to a deal, as some Washington lawmakers will likely oppose those measures. There remains caution in Riyadh about striking a deal that would come under fire in the Arab world and exacerbate tensions with Iran.

Support in Saudi Arabia and across the Arab world for openly embracing Israel has also cooled in recent weeks as violence surges in the West Bank to levels not seen in nearly two decades and Mr. Netanyahu presses ahead with judicial-law changes that have triggered massive protests, some of the people said.

Daniel Shapiro, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel who now focuses on strengthening Israel-Arab world ties as a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council, called a potential deal "a very tough Gordian knot to cut."

"Normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, facilitated by the United States, is in all three parties' interests," he said. "But that doesn't mean it's easy to arrange."

Still, U.S., Israeli and Saudi officials said a deal is possible. Mr. Netanyahu is looking to build on Israeli ties to the Arab world that expanded in 2020 with the so-called Abraham Accords, when four Muslim nations committed to normal relations with Israel.

Saudi Arabia has intensified security ties with Israel in recent years with an eye to confronting Iran and sees growing potential for business deals as the kingdom looks to diversify its economy away from oil. A deal would mark a diplomatic victory for Mr. Biden, who has had repeated clashes with Saudi Arabia over human rights, oil prices, the war in Yemen and support for Ukraine.

If Saudi Arabia -- home to the two holiest sites in Islam -- were to establish formal ties with Israel, it could send a signal to other Arab and Muslim leaders that they would be free to embrace Israel while also accelerating U.S.-led efforts to create a regional military alliance to counter Iran.

A Saudi-Israel deal could also extinguish the flickering Palestinian hopes of creating an independent state. For decades, the Saudis have said publicly that a Palestinian state is a prerequisite for recognizing Israel. Saudi Arabia faces unique pressure to stand firmly with the Palestinians, whose plight resonates with millions of Arabs and Muslims around the world.

But Israeli officials say Saudi Arabia hasn't sought significant concessions on the Palestinian issue as part of the talks. Two pro-Israeli American think-tank delegations returned from trips to Riyadh late last year believing the Saudis didn't see the Palestinian issue as paramount.

"Discussion of the Palestinians was pretty dismissive," said John Hannah, national-security adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney and a fellow at the Jewish Institute for National Security of America.

Biden administration officials and some Saudi officials say that Israel will have to do something to address Palestinian aspirations for independence. Those involved in the talks say a deal could be reached if Israel agrees to take a modest step -- such as holding peace talks with the Palestinians, which have been frozen for nearly a decade.

The Saudi demands of Washington are another obstacle.

Riyadh officials want U.S. support to enrich uranium and develop its own fuel production system, Mr. Hannah said. American and Israeli officials worry that doing so would allow Saudi Arabia to develop a nuclear weapon and accelerate an arms race with Iran, which has a nuclear program that is the subject of an array of U.S. sanctions. Iran says its program is peaceful.

"The nuclear issue is one of, if not the biggest challenge for Israel, and one Israelis should debate whether it's worth the price for peace," said Yoel Guzansky, a senior research fellow at the Tel Aviv-based Institute for National Security Studies specializing in Saudi-Israel relations.

Saudi Arabia also wants firm guarantees that the U.S. will come to the kingdom's defense when needed. But past efforts by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to secure such U.S. assurances have been rebuffed by recent Democratic and Republican presidents.

One option under discussion: Naming Saudi Arabia a major non-North Atlantic Treaty Organization ally, a special status given to Israel, Qatar, Jordan and other countries friendly to U.S. interests. The move would formally make Saudi Arabia a U.S. ally and give it easier access to American weaponry.

Giving Riyadh that elevated status could face blowback in Congress, where influential lawmakers from both parties view the kingdom as unreliable. Mr. Biden himself derailed weapons sales to Saudi Arabia when he took office in 2021, and Congress has pushed to halt arms deals with Riyadh.

"The kingdom is committed to normalization with Israel," said Mark Dubowitz, the chief executive officer of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, who has traveled to Saudi Arabia several times in recent months to discuss these issues with key leaders. "Its requirements from Washington, even if they sound excessive to some, are an expression of Saudi security concerns and not a way to say no to Israel."

Saudi Arabia faces risks at home if it establishes diplomatic relations with Israel, with polls showing mixed opinions.

Opposition among Saudi citizens to establishing ties with Israel has fallen to 38% in 2022 from 91% in 2014, according to a recent poll by the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies. But the same poll found that, when Saudis were asked if they openly support normalizing with Israel, only 5% said yes in 2022, compared with 12% in 2016.

Polling by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy has found surging support in Saudi Arabia for business and sports ties with Israel, but fading backing for the Abraham Accords.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the de facto Saudi ruler, has indicated that he wants to see significant support among Saudi citizens before he agrees to any deal, according to people who have met with him to discuss the issue.

Even without formal relations, Israel and Saudi Arabia have deepened economic, security and diplomatic ties.

In 2021, the Pentagon moved Israeli security issues under the umbrella of Central Command, which includes nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait that have no official relations with Israel. That paved the way for more military cooperation between Israel and longtime adversaries.

More Israelis are getting special visas allowing open travel to Saudi Arabia for the first time. In October, top Israeli business leaders spoke at Saudi Arabia's premier investment conference.

Write to Dion Nissenbaum at Dion.Nissenbaum@wsj.com, Dov Lieber at dov.lieber@wsj.com and Stephen Kalin at stephen.kalin@wsj.com

(END) Dow Jones Newswires

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #762 on: March 09, 2023, 08:45:20 PM »
US should tell SA to go pound sand. They do nothing for us.
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #763 on: March 09, 2023, 09:06:18 PM »
US should tell SA to go pound sand. They do nothing for us.
Or pay the price. It's not a one way relationship.

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #764 on: March 09, 2023, 09:16:27 PM »
Or pay the price. It's not a one way relationship.
They do nothing for us. They just told us to go pound sand with the oil prices. Let's return the same.
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #765 on: March 09, 2023, 09:43:36 PM »
They do nothing for us. They just told us to go pound sand with the oil prices. Let's return the same.
That is what it all comes down to? Whether they do a political favor before the midterms?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #766 on: March 09, 2023, 09:57:45 PM »
That is what it all comes down to? Whether they do a political favor before the midterms?
Politics has nothing to do with. It is about them telling us to pound sand. We should do the same, so they get the message!
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #767 on: March 10, 2023, 07:56:27 AM »
Speaking of our good friend KSA

Iran and Saudi Arabia Reach Deal to Restore Diplomatic Ties (2)
Friday, March 10, 2023 02:49 PM
By Yasna Haghdoost and Patrick Sykes

Geopolitical rivals say they’ll reopen embassies within months
Tensions between the Middle East powers had rattled oil market
(Bloomberg) --Iran and Saudi Arabia agreed to restore diplomatic relations, in a move likely to ease tensions between two geopolitical rivals in the Persian Gulf that have rattled oil markets.
The deal, which includes commitments to reopen embassies within two months, was signed in China after days of negotiations between secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council Ali Shamkhani and his Saudi counterpart, the Islamic Republic News Agency reported. Saudi state-run media confirmed the agreement.

“Clearing up misunderstandings and looking toward the future of Tehran-Riyadh relations will certainly develop regional security and increase cooperation between Persian Gulf countries,” IRNA cited Shamkhani as saying.

Iran Quietly Pushes to Reopen Saudi Missions as Talks Inch Ahead

The two countries have been reaching out to each other quietly, and then more publicly, for at least the past two years - part of a broader regional realignment that’s seen several old foes reestablish or forge new ties.

Saudi Arabia cut ties in 2016 after its Tehran embassy was mobbed. The two countries have been in talks for over a year to reduce tensions that spilled out into attacks on oil infrastructure and fueled wars in Syria and Yemen.

Talks had stalled in December after Tehran accused Riyadh of using satellite TV channels to support protests that have rocked the Islamic Republic, AP reported.

Regional Stakes
The US has been drawing back gradually from the Middle East and relations with Saudi Arabia in particular have faltered. That’s encouraged Riyadh and other regional countries to reach out to old adversaries to reduce tensions and shore up their own security.

Saudi Arabia, which has battled Iranian-backed Houthi fighters in Yemen since 2015, is pushing for an end to a conflict that’s exposed its oil facilities to drone and missile attacks. Establishing formal relations with Iran could help ease that conflict and potentially allow Saudi Arabia to withdraw from the war if a peace deal materializes.

The stakes are high. In 2019 an assault claimed by Yemeni Houthi fighters on Saudi Arabia’s Abqaiq facility temporarily knocked out half the production capacity in the world’s biggest oil exporter, roiling global markets.

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #768 on: March 12, 2023, 11:16:57 AM »
Israelis Blocked From Attending UN Event in Saudi Arabia
Sunday, March 12, 2023 05:14 PM
By Lisa Fleisher

(Bloomberg) --A group of Israeli Muslims invited to a United Nations tourism event to honor their picturesque mountain village was unexpectedly blocked from attending by host Saudi Arabia, a sign that Israel’s hopes of warming relations with Riyadh may be premature.
The Israeli village of Kfar Kama in the Galilee region was among 32 spots chosen by the UN as the best rural tourism destinations of the year. Winners were picked for their cultural and natural assets, as well as their commitment to economic, social and environmental sustainability.

The UN World Tourism Organization had invited both the villagers and Israeli officials along with those from 22 countries to the two-day event in the Saudi village of AlUla, starting on Sunday. But the Israelis were never issued visas, according to people familiar with the matter. This is despite an appeal from the UN for equal treatment for member states and the Saudis spending billions to become a major player in the tourism industry.


Kfar Kama’s residents are largely Circassian Muslims, who trace their heritage back to the northern Caucasus.
Since Israel established diplomatic ties with a number of Arab states under the 2020 Abraham Accords — the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan — Saudi Arabia was taking steps in that direction, allowing Israeli planes to fly over its territory. The kingdom has granted Israelis visas for religious or approved business purposes, but on rare visits Israelis often travel on second passports, such as those from Europe or the US.

But after the election of the most right-wing Israeli government in history in November, tensions have flared inside Israel as well as in the occupied West Bank, where more than 80 Palestinians have been killed since the start of the year. Last Friday, China announced that it had brokered a renewal of relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia, a blow to Israel’s diplomatic agenda.

When they hadn’t received visas by the start of March, the Israeli delegation got worried. The foreign ministry sent a letter to the UN World Tourism Organization insisting that the entries should be issued. Last Monday, the UN asked the Saudi Ministry of Tourism to issue the visas.

“In the spirit of assuring equal rights to all members of the organization, UNWTO as the UN specialized agency is seeking the kind support of the Ministry of Tourism of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in facilitating the visa issuance for the Israeli delegation,” Zurab Pololikashvili, the UN WTO secretary-general, wrote to the Saudi tourism ministry, according to a letter reviewed by Bloomberg.


The village of Kfar Kama in Israel was among 32 selected by the United Nations as tourism villages of the year in 2022.
Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Tourism and the UN WTO didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Kfar Kama was built by Circassian immigrants from the northwest Caucasus region in the late 1800s, though archaeological history in the region dates back centuries earlier. The town has remained ethnically Circassian ever since. Many of its 3,500 residents are Muslim and speak Circassian as their first language. Like some Bedouins, they serve in the Israeli army.

The Saudi kingdom, long closed to casual visitors, began issuing tourist visas in 2019 as part of a long-term mission to diversify the country’s economy away from oil. It is aiming for 100 million tourists a year by 2030, an ambitious goal that would put it on a par with top global destinations. Now, it is developing luxury vacation resort outposts, building cities around its historic sites and hosting or sponsoring major tourism-industry events.

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #769 on: March 13, 2023, 12:26:12 PM »
A surprisingly clear-eyed editorial on the IL Judicial crisis from the Wall Street Journal today.



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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #773 on: April 16, 2023, 06:57:12 AM »
Oh well
At least we still have KSA overfly for now




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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #774 on: April 16, 2023, 09:59:30 AM »
Oh well
At least we still have KSA overfly for now


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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #776 on: April 17, 2023, 02:51:12 PM »

Will they design a new version of COVID that kills anyone who wants to harm Jews?

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« Reply #777 on: April 27, 2023, 05:12:49 PM »
Some interesting takes/insights

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