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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2020, 11:18:50 AM »

Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country. They are like peace agreement, were they at war?

1- You are right that foreign policy in general is a minor factor in US elections (unless their is a major crisis).

2 - You are also right that this is a bigger deal here than in the country in general because of the connection many members have to Israel.

3 - What I think you are missing is the larger implications of this event.

For 50+ years the foreign policy establishment (on both sides of the aisle) has been working on the assumption that the only way to bring stability to the Middle East is by resolving the "Palestine issue". That has led to demands on Israel to make concessions that endangered her citizens "for the good of the region." Now it is clear that the premise they were all working on is false.

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2020, 11:21:49 AM »
They care because it is seen as a victory for Trump. They don't give a rats *ss about the parties evolved.

Sure. Evangelicals have been supporting Israel (politically and financially) for decades because of Trump. You really need to get out more.

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2020, 11:23:44 AM »
3 - What I think you are missing is the larger implications of this event.

For 50+ years the foreign policy establishment (on both sides of the aisle) has been working on the assumption that the only way to bring stability to the Middle East is by resolving the "Palestine issue". That has led to demands on Israel to make concessions that endangered her citizens "for the good of the region." Now it is clear that the premise they were all working on is false.
I feel this is a big event. I don't feel it will be a major factor in solving the Palestine issue. Trump IMHO has made it worse by showing major favoritism toward one side.
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2020, 11:24:26 AM »
Sure. Evangelicals have been supporting Israel (politically and financially) for decades because of Trump. You really need to get out more.
Source?
Didn't they try and start a TV station in Israel to get Jews to convert to or accept Christianity?
« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 11:28:50 AM by CountValentine »
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2020, 11:31:41 AM »
Source?
Didn't they try and start a TV station in Israel to get Jews to convert to or accept Christianity?
It seems like the trend began in the early 1980s https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/06/nyregion/evangelicals-strengthening-bonds-with-jews.html (I didn't actually read the article, because my filter blocks it)
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2020, 11:46:50 AM »
Source?

The $127 million dollars that Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein OBM would raise from them annually.
https://www.ifcj.org/

Didn't they try and start a TV station in Israel to get Jews to convert to or accept Christianity?
Yes, unfortunately there are missionary efforts in Israel. Many in Israel do not take money from Eckstein's organization because they are wary of his donor's motivations. Whatever those motivations are, they certainly predate Trump.
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2020, 11:56:10 AM »
I feel this is a big event. I don't feel it will be a major factor in solving the Palestine issue. Trump IMHO has made it worse by showing major favoritism toward one side.

They've always said that peace was contingent on concessions. The previous administration effectively that the Israelis should unilaterally withdraw to 1967 borders, and concession negotiations should start from there. This was harmful, because it gave the Palestinians and other countries unrealistic expectations, and made talks harder to navigate. This time, Israel went to the other extreme. They said they would not only not unilaterally withdraw from existing borders, but they would annex additional areas. The concession for this peace agreement (which, as pointed out, is largely symbolic) was the abandonment of those plans. (I believe the Israelis were looking for a way to walk away from that too, while saving face. This joke of normalized relationships is a convenient excuse for that.)

The net result of all these things is no real achievements. The Arabs and Obama moved the goalposts one way, so the Israelis moved it the other way. Now they're agreeing to meet in the middle. Everyone saves face. Hoorah.

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2020, 11:57:44 AM »
Yes, unfortunately there are missionary efforts in Israel. Many in Israel do not take money from Eckstein's organization because they are wary of his donor's motivations. Whatever those motivations are, they certainly predate Trump.
Their motivations matter or is this a case where we don't care about the motivations as long as the money does some good? Would fit with we don't care about the person only the policies, no?  ;)
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2020, 12:02:31 PM »
Their motivations matter or is this a case where we don't care about the motivations as long as the money does some good? Would fit with we don't care about the person only the policies, no?  ;)
This was all to prove this wrong:
Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country.
Not a discussion about whether their support is ultimately a net positive or negative. Just saying that others care.
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2020, 12:06:06 PM »
Not a discussion about whether their support is ultimately a net positive or negative. Just saying that others care.
Would a fair question be: Do they really care or just pretend to care?
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2020, 12:06:49 PM »
Their motivations matter or is this a case where we don't care about the motivations as long as the money does some good?

Of course the motivations matter which is why those who believe they have bad motivations won't take their money. For the purpose of this conversation what matters is that their motivation is not support of Trump.
Instead of changing the subject, the honest thing for you to do would be to admit that you spoke about a topic on which you were ignorant, and admit that you were wrong.

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #56 on: August 14, 2020, 12:07:47 PM »
Would a fair question be: Do they really care or just pretend to care?

Not in the context of defending your false claims that the support is connected to Trump.

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2020, 12:11:30 PM »
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2020, 12:15:01 PM »
Of course the motivations matter which is why those who believe they have bad motivations won't take their money. For the purpose of this conversation what matters is that their motivation is not support of Trump.
Instead of changing the subject, the honest thing for you to do would be to admit that you spoke about a topic on which you were ignorant, and admit that you were wrong.
Not in the context of defending your false claims that the support is connected to Trump.
You are to funny. A Jew telling me I am ignorant about Christians. Today really is Friday.  :)
They absolutely support this because they feel it is a win for Trump. Now can they also be supporting it because they support Israel, yes. Would they be screaming their support from mountain tops if it happen in the last administration, H*LL NO!!!
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #59 on: August 14, 2020, 12:18:46 PM »
So, do you admit that this statement was incorrect?
Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country.
and this one:
They care because it is seen as a victory for Trump. They don't give a rats *ss about the parties evolved.
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