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Peace agreements reached with:
United Arab Emirates - Sep. 2020
Bahrain - Sep. 2020
Serbia - Sep. 2020
Sudan - Oct. 2020
Morocco - Dec. 2020

Likely:
Saudi Arabia
Oman

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Qatar  HMMM
Kuwait


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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #343 on: November 23, 2020, 09:43:45 AM »
I don't see Bibi  ;D
I do see masks. What a hypocrite.
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #344 on: November 23, 2020, 11:40:57 PM »
KSA added to the narrow list of green countries

https://twitter.com/ItayBlumental/status/1330992273539145731?s=19

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #345 on: November 24, 2020, 02:59:20 AM »
A column from Zev Chafets on the topic, which I thought was well written

Netanyahu and MBS Have Good Reason to Meet: Zev Chafets
The Israeli Prime Minister and Saudi Crown Prince have been inching closer together. With Joe Biden’s election, they have an urgent mission. By Zev Chafets
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Why hold a historic meeting with potentially major geopolitical consequences and then deny it?

On Sunday night, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly flew in a privately owned plane to Neom, a futuristic city in progress on the Red Sea coast of Saudi Arabia. He was (again, reportedly) accompanied by the head of the Mossad, Yossi Cohen, and at least two other senior defense advisors.
The following day, both Israeli newspaper Haaretz and The Wall Street Journalreported that Netanyahu had met with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan conceded that the Crown Prince and the Secretary of State met, but he flatly denied the presence of any Israelis. Netanyahu told the Israeli media that he does not, as a matter of course, discuss his sensitive diplomatic missions. In Israeli code, such a non-denial would usually imply that he was in fact there.

By law, Israeli state secrets have to be approved by the military censor before they can be published. The fact that the leak of Netanyahu's MBS meeting was approved for publication leads me to believe that Bibi wanted it leaked. Ehud Yaari, the most veteran Israeli journalist covering the Middle East, told Israel's Channel 12 TV Monday that the two have even met before.

Perhaps the Saudi foreign minister was not around when Bibi arrived. But it strains credulity that Netanyahu, whose flight was tracked online by an editor at Haaretz, would secretly fly to a destination where the Crown Prince and the Secretary of State were gathered, and not drop in on the meeting. 

The question is: Why would the Saudis claim otherwise? Back channel talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel have been going on for months. The subject is whether, and under what conditions, the kingdom will join the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan in normalizing relations with Jerusalem. Such a deal is necessary to shore up a military and diplomatic alliance against Iran.
Outgoing U.S. President Donald Trump has long hoped to host a grand peace treaty signing at the White House. But that is now very unlikely. Even Pompeo understands that. Still, it is a worthy goal.  

In recent months, it has been widely reported that the Crown Prince wants to move things along, but is encountering resistance from his elderly father, semi-retired King Salman bin Abdulaziz, who is less enthusiastic. He is a lifelong supporter of the Palestinian cause; an open Saudi-Israeli relationship would leave the Palestinians bereft of meaningful Arab support. 
MBS, who is also defense minister, cares less about appeasing the Palestinians than he does about the threat Saudi Arabic faces from Iran and its proxies in Yemen and elsewhere. A de facto security alliance with Israel already exists. But that alliance requires strong American buy-in.

The Trump administration is all in, but it is also on the way out. The Saudis may well see the value of giving President-elect Joe Biden an early diplomatic victory by brokering what would truly be an historic treaty.

But this would come with a price for the new administration. The Obama-Biden administration diplomacy sought good relations with Iran. The capstone of that that effort was the 2015 nuclear limitations deal led by the U.S. After four years of Trump administration pressure, that pact is now moribund. Last week, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran enriching uranium at roughly 12 times the level permitted in the agreement. 

There are some influential Democrats who would like to see Biden revert to the status quo ante. Both the Saudis and Israel say they are ready for new negotiations, but only if the terms include a strict limitation on Iran’s ballistic missiles, the end of Iranian military support for proxy armies in Yemen, Lebanon, Gaza and Syria, and a much longer and more stringently inspected end to military grade uranium.

It is hard to imagine that Iran would agree, which presents a choice to the new administration: It can stand with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and other Sunni Arab countries, or pursue a detente with Iran.

There will be pressure on Biden from the European Union and by some in the Democratic Party to pursue the latter policy. But there are four senior Democratic Senators who voted against the agreement back in 2015, and others who have come to regret their support. Add in the Republicans, almost all of whom opposed the Iran deal, and Biden has the start of the bilateral foreign policy he seeks.

Such political machinations may seem complex, but they lie at the heart of a basic fact of Middle Eastern life. Iran is a threat to Israel and Saudi Arabia. To contain that threat, and ultimately roll it back, they need America. Trump got that and it’s essential that Biden does too. Both Netanyahu and MBS have the strongest possible interest in helping him see the light.

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #346 on: November 24, 2020, 08:26:01 AM »

The Trump administration is all in, but it is also on the way out. The Saudis may well see the value of giving President-elect Joe Biden an early diplomatic victory by brokering what would truly be an historic treaty.

But this would come with a price for the new administration. The Obama-Biden administration diplomacy sought good relations with Iran. The capstone of that that effort was the 2015 nuclear limitations deal led by the U.S. After four years of Trump administration pressure, that pact is now moribund. Last week, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran enriching uranium at roughly 12 times the level permitted in the agreement.

Maybe the whole thing is to maneuver Biden into the spot they want him?
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #347 on: November 24, 2020, 08:31:35 AM »
Maybe The whole thing is to maneuver Biden into the spot they want him?
FTFY
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #348 on: November 24, 2020, 08:33:34 AM »
FTFY
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #349 on: November 24, 2020, 01:15:25 PM »
FTFY
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whether or not it is indeed the case, that is exactly what Chafets was suggesting in that article

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #350 on: November 24, 2020, 03:14:56 PM »
Is that goalposts I see moving?  :)
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #351 on: November 24, 2020, 09:12:44 PM »

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #352 on: November 24, 2020, 09:14:33 PM »
Huh?
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #353 on: November 24, 2020, 09:20:02 PM »
You get credit or blame on what happens on your watch.
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #354 on: November 24, 2020, 09:23:14 PM »
?
What happens when ME peace deals happen under Biden. Will you and others here give him credit?
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #355 on: November 24, 2020, 09:25:50 PM »
You get credit or blame on what happens on your watch.

That's your goalposts. Mine are (and always have been) that you get credit or blame for things that can be honestly attributed to you

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #356 on: November 24, 2020, 09:28:50 PM »
That's your goalposts. Mine are (and always have been) that you get credit or blame for things that can be honestly attributed to you
Of course it is so that way you can move them where you want. That is classic kool-aid.
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #357 on: November 24, 2020, 10:09:16 PM »
That's your goalposts. Mine are (and always have been) that you get credit or blame for things that can be honestly attributed to you
So the only one to legitimately take credit or blame is Khamenei (and Erdoğan).
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #358 on: November 24, 2020, 10:12:31 PM »
What happens when ME peace deals happen under Biden. Will you and others here give him credit?
If the deals are good, sure! If it enables those countries to continue to support terror? Then, no way!

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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
« Reply #359 on: November 24, 2020, 10:14:36 PM »
If the deals are good, sure! If it enables those countries to continue to support terror? Then, no way!
Then you have fixed goalposts unlike @zh cohen that wants moveable ones.
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