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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #940 on: October 26, 2023, 02:01:59 PM »
a distinction without a difference.

I think it is way too much to expect a US president to say so. This doesn't detract from how Israel should behave

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #943 on: October 28, 2023, 03:57:47 PM »
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #944 on: October 28, 2023, 07:48:27 PM »

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #945 on: October 28, 2023, 07:50:14 PM »
What makes these 'activists', 'Jewish'?
You would have to ask those at the rally if they are Jewish.
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #946 on: October 28, 2023, 08:07:56 PM »
You would have to ask those at the rally if they are Jewish.
I'll save you the trouble. They aren't ;)

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #947 on: October 28, 2023, 08:11:26 PM »
I'll save you the trouble. They aren't ;)
Did you ask them?
I saw and interview with one of them that claimed he was Jewish (not visibly Jewish).
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #948 on: October 30, 2023, 04:57:14 PM »
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #949 on: October 30, 2023, 05:10:00 PM »
It ends with whatever comes next will be much worse.
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #950 on: October 30, 2023, 05:36:10 PM »


This is from two years ago. Oct 7 shows us what happens if you treat Hamas the way he suggests in the video.

It ends with whatever comes next will be much worse.


Factual inaccuracy #1: "Lived together mostly in peace" - well, I guess that depends on what you call peace. A massacre every few years might be acceptable according to Vox.
Factual inaccuracy #2: the Arabs started developing a "distinct national identity" - please provide evidence of that. Hint, it doesn't exist.
Misframing: "Arabs fought Zionists who were coming to settle" - No, they fought Jews, including non Zionists who had been living there for decades or more.
Misframing: "Fights both between Jews and Arabs" - Where were the fights by Jews against Arabs? The Jewish terrorists fought the British. I'm sure you could find individual stories, but on a communal level, there were Arab riots against Jews, not vice versa.
Lie of omission: The Arabs did not accept the Jewish state because they felt it was European colonialism, not mentioned is the explicitly stated goal of not allowing Jews to exist there.
Lie of omission: Following the 1948 war, the Jews expelled the Arabs. Not mentioned, the Arabs who fled of their own volition (some because they thought the Jews would do to them what they would have done to Jews if the roles were reversed), and the the Arabs who fled based on the surrounding Arab leaders ordering them to, promising them they would be able to return.
Lie of omission: terrorism that murdered Jewish civilians between 1948 - 1967
Lie of omission: Why were there no attempts at the creation of a Palestinian state from 1948-1967? Why were there no complaints against Egypt and Jordan for occupying Palestine?
Lie of omission: "The PLO later said they would accept an Israeli state on some of the land" - but when actually offered that, they refused, multiple times.
Lie: the context of second intifada is stated as "Palestinians realize peace isn't coming" - in fact it was the opposite. Arafat was seen as weak for negotiating, and launched the intifada to save face.
Lie of omission: Israel retreats from Gaza ... Israel places Gaza under suffocating blockade. Missing is that the blockade was as a result of terrorism and attacks from Gaza which necessitated the security.
Misframing: "Settlements expand in West Bank displacing Palestinians who just want to live normal lives." What about Israelis who want to live normal lives? Purposeful framing to show one side as the victim.

Vox is also the place that had an explainer about the conflict talk about the bridge between Gaza and the West Bank. Hint: no, such a bridge has never existed. It would be a pretty damn long bridge.

There's more I could say about the video, but I'll suffice with this

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #951 on: October 30, 2023, 05:56:55 PM »
This is from two years ago. Oct 7 shows us what happens if you treat Hamas the way he suggests in the video.
His point was when you are in a position of power a responsibility comes with that.
I think we would both agree the path Israel has taken the last 10-20 years has not worked? Not saying it is there fault just that it has not worked.
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #952 on: October 30, 2023, 06:00:52 PM »
His point was when you are in a position of power a responsibility comes with that.
I think we would both agree the path Israel has taken the last 10-20 years has not worked? Not saying it is there fault just that it has not worked.
One can argue that the path that hasn't worked is the path of showing too much restraint.
He says it himself, Israel could crush Gaza, so why haven't they?
Because it would be the wrong thing to do.
They learned the hard way that limiting their responses to just "mowing the grass" isn't enough.
Hamas must be uprooted, period.

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #953 on: October 30, 2023, 06:01:32 PM »
And his comment about forget the past, let's just count dead people, is pathetic

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #954 on: October 30, 2023, 06:09:45 PM »
One can argue that the path that hasn't worked is the path of showing too much restraint.
Yes one can. You can no longer say that anymore. Does anyone believe in 5, 10, or 15 years we will be closer to peace in the ME?
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #955 on: October 30, 2023, 06:10:23 PM »
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #956 on: October 30, 2023, 06:13:17 PM »
Yes one can. You can no longer say that anymore. Does anyone believe in 5, 10, or 15 years we will be closer to peace in the ME?
As long as it is only one side that wants peace, then no, peace will never come.
Unless of course only that one side remains, which they will never do.

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #957 on: October 30, 2023, 06:38:19 PM »
His point was when you are in a position of power a responsibility comes with that.
I think we would both agree the path Israel has taken the last 10-20 years has not worked? Not saying it is there fault just that it has not worked.

I agree it hasn't worked, but not because they haven't been responsible as the stronger party, but the very opposite.

What about my comments on the vox video?

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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #958 on: October 30, 2023, 06:41:02 PM »
What about my comments on the vox video?
I appreciate your take on it and taking the time to respond.
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Re: Peace In The Middle East Master Thread
« Reply #959 on: October 31, 2023, 02:32:27 PM »
How many Palestinian civilians do you think were killed in Israeli operations throughout all these years up until Oct 7?

If you know I'm not interested. If you don't, please don't look it up, just give your best guess based on what you know. Can you guestimate?