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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2020, 05:09:31 PM »
No, it's not. If the Simcha is too important to attend over Zoom, figure it out without putting others at risk.
Calling every person traveling a risk is exactly why we won't have any more restrictions in regular frum communities. Get real.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #76 on: August 24, 2020, 05:10:00 PM »
I've done it a bunch of times now. It's really not that complicated. It's a pain in the rear, but it is fairly simple.
I don't know you're personal situation, but for most people the complications that arise from a 14 day quarantine are definitely not simple.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #77 on: August 24, 2020, 05:10:21 PM »
Calling every person traveling a risk is exactly why we won't have any more restrictions in regular frum communities. Get real.
You don't think people coming from hotspots are a risk?
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2020, 05:11:18 PM »
You don't think people coming from hotspots are a risk?
Nope. Cdc even took off the requirement for isolating for 14 days after travel and just says people should be careful.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #79 on: August 24, 2020, 05:12:50 PM »
Nope. Cdc even took off the requirement for isolating for 14 days after travel and just says people should be careful.
So then why are there infections stemming from weddings, with locals being infected by OOTers? What do you mean by not a risk? I'm confused
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2020, 05:13:20 PM »
Nope. Cdc even took off the requirement for isolating for 14 days after travel and just says people should be careful.

The CDC is assuming that people are keeping the other precautions, such as social distancing, not gathering in large groups, and wearing a mask.
Please wear a mask.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #81 on: August 24, 2020, 05:15:04 PM »
You can do a quarantine realistically.
We travelled to NY from the holy land, we weren't required by law to quarantine. However, we felt it irresponsible not to.
We didn't stay indoors for two weeks (like we have back in EY, but that's another story). We went outdoors, ate on shabbos with family outdoors. Went bike riding. Went to non-packed parks, etc.
I just don't get it. We know that even if there is so called herd immunity, you can still infect people at the wedding. Will you be able to live with yourself if one of those people die?
Unfortunately, that's not what a 14 day quarantine is.

The quarantine would allow you to go outside on to your property and leave for urgent  medical reasons, that's it.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #82 on: August 24, 2020, 05:15:30 PM »

This is why we aren't MO....
Literally an alternate universe.
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #83 on: August 24, 2020, 05:16:08 PM »

This is why we aren't MO....
Literally an alternate universe.
Speaking of which... a colleague of mine flew 2  weeks ago from California to ny. He's in Healthcare so he does need to quarantine per new york quarantine law. Anyhow he went to a Modox shul on his 14th day being in NY, and got an aliyah. After he walked away ome of the board members yelled at him that he's putting everyone in danger by coming to shul. So embarrassing people in public is fine if they don't follow rules how you like it. Point is, this would never happen in a Normal frum shul and its really insane how messed up people have gotten from this covid thing. Its very sad.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2020, 05:17:43 PM »
So then why are there infections stemming from weddings, with locals being infected by OOTers? What do you mean by not a risk? I'm confused
There were some isolated incidents that are just being blown out of proportion here. There are dozens of weddings with hundreds of people every night and we never hear stories. Few people here and there does not warrant everyone being called a risk.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #85 on: August 24, 2020, 05:18:19 PM »
Unfortunately, that's not what a 14 day quarantine is.

The quarantine would allow you to go outside on to your property and leave for urgent  medical reasons, that's it.
Like I said, I wasn't legally mandated to quarantine.

And attitudes like this, not understanding risk levels are what lead people to take no restrictions
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #86 on: August 24, 2020, 05:19:21 PM »
There were some isolated incidents that are just being blown out of proportion here. There are dozens of weddings with hundreds of people every night and we never hear stories. Few people here and there does not warrant everyone being called a risk.
So how do you define who is at risk? Or are we just OK with some people getting sick and maybe some people dying? Because Corona is over and that's the price we pay for living our normal lives?
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2020, 05:21:16 PM »
So how do you define who is at risk? Or are we just OK with some people getting sick and maybe some people dying? Because Corona is over and that's the price we pay for living our normal lives?
I'm sure you know numerous people who have died recently of covid.... In NY.  This isn't march anymore, they have more treatments and fact is far less people are dying. Get real. Every infected person isn't dropping dead now like they were then.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2020, 05:21:37 PM »


Like I said, I wasn't legally mandated to quarantine.

And attitudes like this, not understanding risk levels are what lead people to take no restrictions

I understand you weren't required to. I'm just saying that it is not a fair comparison to a legally mandated one.

I don't look at quarantine as a risk mitigation strategy - I look at it as a Lo Plug. If everyone comes up with a reason why they don't hav to follow it, then the whole thing breaks down.

Same attitude that lead to the spikes in FL/TX etc in the first place.

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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2020, 05:27:42 PM »
I don't know you're personal situation, but for most people the complications that arise from a 14 day quarantine are definitely not simple.

I think we're getting lost in semantics. The point is, people from OOT should not be coming in for simchos. If they feel it's important enough that they need to be there in person, there are remedies available to allow that to happen. Just because those remedies are difficult doesn't mean we should discard them and do as we please.
Please wear a mask.