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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #240 on: September 25, 2020, 09:21:57 AM »
https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/2020/09/covid-19-update-43.html?m=1

We need someone to rise to the task of analyzing their statemens and changes in language in a similar manner to the analysis of the FOMC statements are analyzed.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #241 on: September 25, 2020, 10:54:32 AM »
https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/2020/09/covid-19-update-43.html?m=1
Is it just me, or does it look like they’re stepping it down a little from previous updates?
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #242 on: September 25, 2020, 11:07:38 AM »
Is it just me, or does it look like they’re stepping it down a little from previous updates?
I wonder if it's because CH isn't being hit as hard as other frum communities this time, which lends credence to their "mass immunity" theory.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #243 on: September 25, 2020, 11:14:36 AM »
I wonder if it's because CH isn't being hit as hard as other frum communities this time, which lends credence to their "mass immunity" theory.
Yes I’m wondering if they have a higher level of immunity there, or perhaps they were more proactive in distancing/mask wearing/ protecting the high risk.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #244 on: September 25, 2020, 11:17:41 AM »
Is it just me, or does it look like they’re stepping it down a little from previous updates?

I can only speculate, but it's possible they're trying to maintain calm. They weren't very happy that Dr. Rosen's conversation with officials about potential shul and school closings leaked. They could be trying to temper some of the rhetoric. Just my guess.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #245 on: September 25, 2020, 11:20:05 AM »
We need someone to rise to the task of analyzing their statemens and changes in language in a similar manner to the analysis of the FOMC statements are analyzed.

Right. *That's* the issue. We need a Nachshon to "rise to the task" of bringing down the Gedaliah Society - the notorious Big Pharma Conglomerate the group of individuals who rose to the challenge at the start of this mageifa when everyone was clueless, afraid, and uncertain, and even community leadership was silent. We need a Nachshon to take down the real life, modern day Nachsons who have done their best to balance protecting the community with guidelines that people will actually follow and not push back on.

As Chassidim, shouldn't we be doing things even on the slightest of off chances it could help someone else? Even if it makes us uncomfortable? Even if we believe them to be useless? Isn't that the very embodiment of Chossid sorfan? Why, for instance, do we have hundreds of people cramming into a tight space, even if it is outdoors, and when the organizers are begging everyone to put on masks as they walk in - and give out free masks - yet still ~30% of people don't wear them?

It's a fluid situation. What we know about the virus is constantly changing. They're doing the best they can on a volunteer basis. Instead of harping on verbiage changes and being cynical about every suggestion they make because we are all so frieking smart and know so much better than everyone, maybe let's try do better at actually being Chassidim - acting with midas Chassidus - and follow their reasonable guidelines, keep people safe, and keep schools and shuls open safely.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #246 on: September 25, 2020, 11:32:19 AM »
Yes I’m wondering if they have a higher level of immunity there, or perhaps they were more proactive in distancing/mask wearing/ protecting the high risk.
They definitely did more there over RH than Lakewood.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #247 on: September 25, 2020, 11:35:13 AM »
Right. *That's* the issue. We need a Nachshon to "rise to the task" of bringing down the Gedaliah Society - the notorious Big Pharma Conglomerate the group of individuals who rose to the challenge at the start of this mageifa when everyone was clueless, afraid, and uncertain, and even community leadership was silent. We need a Nachshon to take down the real life, modern day Nachsons who have done their best to balance protecting the community with guidelines that people will actually follow and not push back on.

As Chassidim, shouldn't we be doing things even on the slightest of off chances it could help someone else? Even if it makes us uncomfortable? Even if we believe them to be useless? Isn't that the very embodiment of Chossid sorfan? Why, for instance, do we have hundreds of people cramming into a tight space, even if it is outdoors, and when the organizers are begging everyone to put on masks as they walk in - and give out free masks - yet still ~30% of people don't wear them?

It's a fluid situation. What we know about the virus is constantly changing. They're doing the best they can on a volunteer basis. Instead of harping on verbiage changes and being cynical about every suggestion they make because we are all so frieking smart and know so much better than everyone, maybe let's try do better at actually being Chassidim - acting with midas Chassidus - and follow their reasonable guidelines, keep people safe, and keep schools and shuls open safely.

I know it's Friday, and Erev Shabbos Shuva, but I think you've taken things a step beyond.

I made a (somewhat snarky, I will admit) comment about the changing language, which reminded me of how FOMC announcements changes to language are parsed. I had no intention to comment and did not comment on the content of their post.

It seems like some others did indeed notice what I had noticed, but unlike my comment which was just a general one about the changes and more so about how people tend to (over)analyze the language of their posts, the others who posted actually made attempts at such analysis.

I respect and appreciate everything the Gedalia society did, is doing, and is trying to do. I also get a consistent vibe from their posts that they are seem to be extremely careful in their wordings, treading on eggshells, being PC, etc. And while that would probably be a prudent way for me to act and say things publicly, since I do get business from the community, and it's never good to offend or mock anyone, I allow myself to go a little loose with my cynicism in some areas, and more so in this forum.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #248 on: September 25, 2020, 11:42:22 AM »
I know it's Friday, and Erev Shabbos Shuva, but I think you've taken things a step beyond.

I made a (somewhat snarky, I will admit) comment about the changing language, which reminded me of how FOMC announcements changes to language are parsed. I had not intention and did not comment on the content of their post.

It seems like some others did indeed notice what I had noticed, but unlike my comment which was just a general one about the changes and more so about how people tend to (over)analyze the language of their posts, the others who posted actually made attempts at such analysis.

I respect and appreciate everything the Gedalia society did, is doing, and is trying to do. I also get a consistent vibe from their posts that they are seem to be extremely careful in their wordings, treading on eggshells, being PC, etc. And while that would probably be a prudent way for me to act and say things publicly, since I do get business from the community, and it's never good to offend or mock anyone, I allow myself to go a little loose with my cynicism in some areas, and more so in this forum.

My comment is definitely a step beyond as a response to you, and I'm sorry I unloaded that all on you, but really it's a frustrated response to the general attitiude I am seeing and hearing. When I hear people in stores and Shuls mocking and ridiculing those that are wearing masks, it is really upsetting.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #249 on: September 25, 2020, 12:06:51 PM »
My comment is definitely a step beyond as a response to you, and I'm sorry I unloaded that all on you, but really it's a frustrated response to the general attitiude I am seeing and hearing. When I hear people in stores and Shuls mocking and ridiculing those that are wearing masks, it is really upsetting.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #250 on: September 25, 2020, 12:12:55 PM »
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #252 on: October 06, 2020, 07:00:02 PM »
In the new Cuomo hak a tchaynik, Is CH considered a orange area?

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