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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #270 on: October 07, 2020, 06:50:36 PM »
Which would also be a good thing since they would no longer be spreading to others unless they are COVIDiots
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But it would be rather inconvenient for the false positives.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #271 on: October 07, 2020, 06:50:58 PM »
FWIW if asymptomatic people run to get tested they may pick up extra positives (false or otherwise) and skew the numbers the other way. Who knows!
They are looking to lower the percent positive number. There are obviously a higher  percentage of positives among symptomatic people than non symptomatic so it can only help.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #272 on: October 07, 2020, 06:51:56 PM »
FWIW if asymptomatic people run to get tested they may pick up extra positives (false or otherwise) and skew the numbers the other way. Who knows!

This is definitely a factor in the doctors signing off. If they can get all the presymptomatic people off the streets before Simchas Torah, mah tov u'mah naim.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #273 on: October 07, 2020, 06:52:55 PM »
Right
But it would be rather inconvenient for the false positives.
I don't think those are as common as some here make it seem.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #274 on: October 07, 2020, 06:53:54 PM »
I don't think those are as common as some here make it seem.
I wouldn't know. By false positives do we refer both to people who were not sick, and also to people who were sick a few weeks ago and are no longer contagious?
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #275 on: October 07, 2020, 06:54:59 PM »
They are looking to lower the percent positive number. There are obviously a higher  percentage of positives among symptomatic people than non symptomatic so it can only help.
I don't think this is clear cut at all. When there's a rampant outbreak of a disease which can have very mild symptoms and pre-symptomatic positives, I think this is a huge gamble and may lead to a even bigger spike.

To be fair, to achieve what they want in the timeline that they wish (lower positivity rate within the next week), they don't really have another choice.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #276 on: October 07, 2020, 06:57:42 PM »
and also to people who were sick a few weeks ago and are no longer contagious?

How would anyone know whether or not they are no longer contagious?
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #277 on: October 07, 2020, 06:59:00 PM »
I don't think this is clear cut at all. When there's a rampant outbreak of a disease which can have very mild symptoms and pre-symptomatic positives, I think this is a huge gamble and may lead to a even bigger spike.

To be fair, to achieve what they want in the timeline that they wish (lower positivity rate within the next week), they don't really have another choice.
You believe that a random sampling of 100 symptomatic people and another sampling of 100 healthy people will yield an identical percent positive? I find that hard to accept.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #278 on: October 07, 2020, 07:01:14 PM »
I don't think those are as common as some here make it seem.
For my family we had 3/7 have false positives 2 months after contracting it.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #279 on: October 07, 2020, 07:01:18 PM »
You believe that a random sampling of 100 symptomatic people and another sampling of 100 healthy people will yield an identical percent positive? I find that hard to accept.
Given a large enough sample size (they're going for thousands of test, not hundreds), I believe that there's a decent chance that it could cause a spike. Not saying that it's definite, rather that it's a gamble and not a no brained.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #280 on: October 07, 2020, 07:01:49 PM »
How would anyone know whether or not they are no longer contagious?
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #281 on: October 07, 2020, 07:03:47 PM »
FWIW if asymptomatic people run to get tested they may pick up extra positives (false or otherwise) and skew the numbers the other way. Who knows!

It will undoubtedly get a few positive results. If a testing drive designed only for healthy people gets more than 3% that's a serous issue and shutdowns are probably warranted.

Even if it raises rates in the short-term it should lower them in the medium-term because those people will, hopefully act responsibly and, isolate thus slowing the spread. In the long-term we all die.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #282 on: October 07, 2020, 07:06:20 PM »
Given a large enough sample size (they're going for thousands of test, not hundreds), I believe that there's a decent chance that it could cause a spike. Not saying that it's definite, rather that it's a gamble and not a no brained.
From what I understand, and the Igud harabbanim robo call that just went out spelled this out birachel bitcha haketana, (especially in Lakewood) the governor told askanim he needs a lower percent positivity- itís over 20% right now-to give him political cover. He doesnít care so much about the raw number. Therefore  it can only help to test the non symptomatic.You are talking about absolute numbers but that is not the focus.

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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #283 on: October 07, 2020, 07:06:47 PM »
Just important to spell something out here: the CH drive specifically asks symptomatic people to get tested, as well, just not at the main location. They ask that symptomatic people contact their local doctors for testing options. They may be trying to skew the numbers, but without compromising anyone's health and safety.
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Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
« Reply #284 on: October 07, 2020, 07:07:54 PM »
Given a large enough sample size (they're going for thousands of test, not hundreds), I believe that there's a decent chance that it could cause a spike. Not saying that it's definite, rather that it's a gamble and not a no brained.

CH is not going to get thousands of people to test. Would be a lot if they hit 1k
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