Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab

[ExGingi]

Masks aren't enough to stop the spread with the amount of people that were crammed into 770 last night, singing with full voice.

Hence my assertion that this is all about "symbolic rather than substantive actions".

[Yehuda57]

is anything being done to make the service lane viable for Rosh Hashanah? (shabbos)?

I don't know.

[ExGingi]

Secondly, your idea is brilliant. Have a guy at the door (even 10) stopping thousands of Israelis from entering. Genius. That would totally work.

The reason that wouldn't work isn't due to the numbers.

It's like the gabboim of 770 asking people to maintain order or keep the place clean. It's laughable since they are primary enablers of chaos in 770.

[Yehuda57]

Hence my assertion that this is all about "symbolic rather than substantive actions".

Your assertion was that no planning had been done. This is false. Many many efforts were made to prevail on people who could stop guests from coming. They were futile.

[ExGingi]

Your assertion was that no planning had been done. This is false. Many many efforts were made to prevail on people who could stop guests from coming. They were futile.

יגעתי ולא מצאתי - אל תאמין

[Yehuda57]

יגעתי ולא מצאתי - אל תאמין

You know the situation. How do you propose we stop thousands of guests coming from overseas?

[ExGingi]

You know the situation. How do you propose we stop thousands of guests coming from overseas?

They're here now. No-one is stopping anyone now, other than an immediate and absolute shutdown of 770, which I don't think will happen. The time to do things was a couple of months ago. Did anyone come up with a proposed coherent plan of action? I can guarantee you that those that control 770 did not, since they passed the screening test which is a requirement in order to get any position in 770 - if you're capable of thinking or reasoning you are disqualified from any position in 770.

[Yehuda57]

They're here now. No-one is stopping anyone now, other than an immediate and absolute shutdown of 770, which I don't think will happen.

OK. And with planning, how would it have gone down?

[chevron]

People just don't care.

I know many who flew to NY for 1-2 for smachot etc.

Ch issue is now probably less the locals, more the guests.

Good luck

[ExGingi]

OK. And with planning, how would it have gone down?

I'm not going to go into possible details of what could have been done, but a strong unequivocal stance that 770 would be shut down absolutely and for EVERYONE as of טו אלול if there was any hint of non-compliance might have sent a strong message.

Unfortunately, the only powerful message coming from 770 is that if you don't make sure to pay Kratz for your locker in what he considers a timely manner, you will lose it.

Requiring proof of antibodies/recovery from COVID-19 along with a HIPAA waiver (or foreign equivalent) that will allow verification of any documentation submitted, and actually doing such verification might have helped. 1414 implemented something along those lines (though I don't think they went as far as the waiver, and they probably should at this point).

Another possibility is actually investing in rapid COVID-19 testing.

As I said, there are many options that might be available to 770 (at a cost) that aren't available as a more widespread policy. Any and all of those should have been considered.

[Yehuda57]

I'm not going to go into possible details of what could have been done, but a strong unequivocal stance that 770 would be shut down absolutely for EVERYONE as of טו אלול if there was any hint of non-compliance might have sent a strong message.

Unfortunately, the only powerful message coming from 770 is that if you don't make sure to pay Kratz for your locker in what he considers a timely manner, you will lose it.

Compliance isn't enough. We've established that. You need to stop the influx of thousands of guests. Had the originations and individuals who feed the guests sent a clear message overseas that they were not doing that this year, it would have reduced the influx significantly. They refused to do so.

[ExGingi]

https://chabad.info/blogs/618556/

[ExGingi]

Compliance isn't enough. We've established that. You need to stop the influx of thousands of guests. Had the originations and individuals who feed the guests sent a clear message overseas that they were not doing that this year, it would have reduced the influx significantly. They refused to do so.

Compliance includes banning anyone who hasn't recovered from COVID-19 from coming.

[gozalim]

https://chabad.info/blogs/618556/

I can list you people (living here) who haven't missed slichos / tekios in 770 rosh Hashanah in years.
This year they had been hoping to be able to attend with some precautions.
Now last minute, on order of rabbonim they're having that pulled out from under them.
All because of other people laughing at psak of rabbonim.
See, the tone cuts both ways...

[gozalim]

Here was me thinking all these years that the authority of the current gabboim draws from their loyalty to the rabbonim...

[ExGingi]

Here was me thinking all these years that the authority of the current gabboim draws from their loyalty to the rabbonim...

ROTFLMAO

[Lurker]

other than an immediate and absolute shutdown of 770, which I don't think will happen.

It won't be immediate and it won't be absolute, but the chances are high that 770 will not remain open for everyone throughout Tishrei. Too little and too late, as usual.

[Lurker]

Masks aren't enough to stop the spread with the amount of people that were crammed into 770 last night, singing with full voice.

At the risk of turning this into another mask thread.. I think you may be missing the point. We're not stopping the spread at this point. That ship has sailed. However, masks can absolutely lessen the spread, and lessen the severity of the infections that do occur. I fear that this will be lost on a culture that has proven to be deaf to all arguments which are not binary.

[neveryou]

is anything being done to make the service lane viable for Rosh Hashanah? (shabbos)?

The tent that was put up the last few years, the organizer of it said that it probaly won't happen before R"H, and after that he'll have to see how many people takeh came in to see if its worth it

[ExGingi]

The tent that was put up the last few years, the organizer of it said that it probaly won't happen before R"H, and after that he'll have to see how many people takeh came in to see if its worth it

Is he also to be counted as one of the leaders?