Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab

[ExGingi]

The thing that changes this from humorous to hilarious is that you actually think believe this to be practical

As practical as a total shut down of 770 from Shabbos Hachodesh to Shavuos.

[Yehuda57]

So anyone with antibodies (or soon, the vaccine) gets the immunization passport. But medical papers will be to easy to forge to get past guards, plus you'll need something that you can carry on Shabbos.

Maybe the guards at 770 can look out for some sort of flag or brightly colored lapel pin?

[aygart]

I most definitely think 770 should have guards. Any other shul is free to make their own choices. I definitely think that issuing guidance without enforcement (in the form of guards) was a total joke (and was therefore nothing but lip service).

You do realize that EY has been using immunity certificates for months (though only useful for quarantine exemption).

It is not lost on me how you again ignored the bigger issue of such a protocol.

[ExGingi]

So anyone with antibodies (or soon, the vaccine) gets the immunization passport. But medical papers will be to easy to forge to get past guards, plus you'll need something that you can carry on Shabbos.

Maybe the guards at 770 can look out for some sort of flag or brightly colored lapel pin?

On a small scale like 770 papers can be verified (sign a release form) and admission can be pre-approved and guards work with lists.

[Yehuda57]

We were warned that if 770 was taken over there'd be lists of who would be allowed in or not.

As of now, they can't even give you a list of who has lockers in 770, or to speak your language, supply paper towels.

[ExGingi]

It is not lost on me how you again ignored the bigger issue of such a protocol.

Ignored, because I believe it is inevitable, and will sooner or later be implemented in some form (as we can see clearly from EY).

[Yehuda57]

Ignored, because I believe it is inevitable, and will sooner or later be implemented in some form (as we can see clearly from EY).

Like the immunity passports we carry around for polio, measles, mumps, etc.?

[aygart]

Ignored, because I believe it is inevitable, and will sooner or later be implemented in some form (as we can see clearly from EY).

Once there is a vaccine that resolves the primary issue.

[ExGingi]

Like the immunity passports we carry around for polio, measles, mumps, etc.?

Try sending your kids to school without those. CMIIW, but I believe those are nowhere as contagious as covid-19.

Though if you want to get some kind of parallel, when I was in 5th or 6th grade I recall being administered a Mantoux test, following which I was exempt from getting a Tuberculosis vaccine.

[yuneeq]

Try sending your kids to school without those. CMIIW, but I believe those are nowhere as contagious as covid-19.

Though if you want to get some kind of parallel, when I was in 5th or 6th grade I recall being administered a Mantoux test, following which I was exempt from getting a Tuberculosis vaccine.

Measles is as contagious if not more contagious than COVID. Someone with Measles can infect people 2 hours after they leave a room. With >90% vaccination rates, it’s hardly an issue.

[Yehuda57]

Try sending your kids to school without those.

My point exactly. There is no "immunity passport" to go to shul, weddings or anything. Schools and (some) jobs are the only places to police any kind of immunity. Calling 770 "small scale" and thinking guards can enforce any kind of immunity passport entry is beyond ludicrous. It's honestly baffling that someone like you is making these posts seriously.

[Dan]

It's honestly baffling that someone like you is making these posts seriously.

Without these fairy-tale guardians of 770, what other excuse is left for ignoring clear directives if you can't create the scenario of what B"D should have done instead of clearly stating directives?

[aygart]

Without these fairy-tale guardians of 770, what other excuse is left for ignoring clear directives if you can't create the scenario of what B"D should have done instead of clearly stating directives?

As much as I wish it weren't this way, there is no way you would understand while in CLE (and this is said based on my experience in Lakewood)

[Dan]

As much as I wish it weren't this way, there is no way you would understand while in CLE (and this is said based on my experience in Lakewood)

Oh, I've said many times that I can't understand anything about NYC.

[EliJelly]

As much as I wish it weren't this way, there is no way you would understand while in CLE (and this is said based on my experience in Lakewood)

Exactly why I don't understand how ExGingi took the burden of farentfering CH all on his head.

[aygart]

Once there is a vaccine that resolves the primary issue.

But if course you knew that already and made the disingenuous argument anyhow.

[ExGingi]

Measles is as contagious if not more contagious than COVID. Someone with Measles can infect people 2 hours after they leave a room. With >90% vaccination rates, it’s hardly an issue.

OK. Thanks for that clarification. And indeed, most people around have received the MMR vaccine and are considered immune.

For those that get it, what are the outcomes compared to COVID-19?

[Yehuda57]

OK. Thanks for that clarification. And indeed, most people around have received the MMR vaccine and are considered immune.

For those that get it, what are the outcomes compared to COVID-19?

Typical. Now we're going to get caught in the weeds discussing semantic details about various diseases instead of addressing the primary point which is that immunity passports have never existed and cannot be practical for everyday life and social/religious gatherings.

[ExGingi]

As much as I wish it weren't this way, there is no way you would understand while in CLE (and this is said based on my experience in Lakewood)

+1000000000000000

For that matter, even people in Crown Heights who don't "live" 770 might not get it. The situation in 770 isn't simple by any stretch of the imagination, but when someone (especially if in a position of power or respect) really wants to accomplish something, it is doable in most cases.

[Yehuda57]

+1000000000000000

For that matter, even people in Crown Heights who don't "live" 770 might not get it. The situation in 770 isn't simple by any stretch of the imagination, but when someone (especially if in a position of power or respect) really wants to accomplish something, it is doable in most cases.

And what of those that think solving 770 is even close to a fraction of the answer? My grandmother didn't get covid in 770