Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab

[neveryou]

I heard today, don't know how true
That a group from tzfas yeshiva came last week, snuck off to crown heights while an outbreak of Corona was beginning to spread there and before the yeshiva locked down

[neveryou]

Is he also to be counted as one of the leaders?

I would count him as a leader of the tent, being that he arranged it, fundraised for it

[ExGingi]

I heard today, don't know how true
That a group from tzfas yeshiva came last week, snuck off to crown heights while an outbreak of Corona was beginning to spread there and before the yeshiva locked down

I have no idea about that, but based on the calls and inquiries I'm getting it seems like quite a few will be coming for YK after the complete their lockdown/quarantine/recovery there.

[ExGingi]

I would count him as a leader of the tent, being that he arranged it, fundraised for it

He has done more good things (though whenever one does something there will be criticism) beyond the tent. בקעה מצא וגדר בה גדר.

[incendia]

 I have long advocated for "immunity bracelets". While that might be problematic in other settings, what would stop 770 from issuing such (with proper simple fraud avoidance measures) and allowing only those with such a bracelet to be in 770 without a mask during Tishrei?

This is a bad idea. Some will go out of their way to get Covid so they can have the bracelet. No doubt they will act irresponsibly while they are sick, and spread it.

The best thing to do is what everyone else is doing:

• Strict mask requirements
• strict capacity requirements (remove chairs and benches add plexiglass and floor markers)
• As much as possible move things out doors

[gozalim]

The tent that was put up the last few years, the organizer of it said that it probaly won't happen before R"H, and after that he'll have to see how many people takeh came in to see if its worth it

because this year guests are the reason for the tent?!
על הראשונים אנו מצטערים...
Maybe this year it should be for the locals...
(and maybe not as enclosed...) and maybe the shul should carry some of that responsibility for a change...

[neveryou]

because this year guests are the reason for the tent?!
על הראשונים אנו מצטערים...
Maybe this year it should be for the locals...
(and maybe not as enclosed...) and maybe the shul should carry some of that responsibility for a change...

It was mainly the locals who used it

[whYME]

The important thing to remember is that whatever spread might happen now, it's all the fault of the kevutza bochurim who came to learn here for the year and maybe didn't quarantine for quite as long as they should have.
It has nothing to do with the American bochurim who came to yeshiva here and didn't quarantine when they got here. It has nothing to do with all the locals who've been going on vacation all over the place and not quarantining when they got back. It has nothing to do with all the visitors coming in for simchas etc.
It's all the fault of the kevutza bochurim.

[gozalim]

the American bochurim who came to yeshiva here and didn't quarantine when they got here. It has nothing to do with all the locals who've been going on vacation all over the place and not quarantining when they got back. It has nothing to do with all the visitors coming in for simchas etc.

in case you missed those threads as well

[shaulyaakov]

https://gothamist.com/news/video-shows-packed-crown-heights-synagogue-ahead-jewish-high-holy-days

770 doesn't seem so concerned.

[neveryou]

I'm not going to go into possible details of what could have been done, but a strong unequivocal stance that 770 would be shut down absolutely and for EVERYONE as of טו אלול if there was any hint of non-compliance might have sent a strong message.

Unfortunately, the only powerful message coming from 770 is that if you don't make sure to pay Kratz for your locker in what he considers a timely manner, you will lose it.

Requiring proof of antibodies/recovery from COVID-19 along with a HIPAA waiver (or foreign equivalent) that will allow verification of any documentation submitted, and actually doing such verification might have helped. 1414 implemented something along those lines (though I don't think they went as far as the waiver, and they probably should at this point).

Another possibility is actually investing in rapid COVID-19 testing.

As I said, there are many options that might be available to 770 (at a cost) that aren't available as a more widespread policy. Any and all of those should have been considered.

Besides paying kratz for lockers
The gaboyim need the money from the seats plus the mitzvos they sell, its over half their budget

[ExGingi]

https://gothamist.com/news/video-shows-packed-crown-heights-synagogue-ahead-jewish-high-holy-days

770 doesn't seem so concerned.

Well, they say: "require religious services held inside to include no more than 33 percent of the maximum occupancy"

I'd say maximum occupancy of 770 is at least 25,000 so we're way below that threshold. 

[ExGingi]

Besides paying kratz for lockers
The gaboyim need the money from the seats plus the mitzvos they sell, its over half their budget

Please don't get me started.

[shaulyaakov]

Well, they say: "require religious services held inside to include no more than 33 percent of the maximum occupancy"

I'd say maximum occupancy of 770 is at least 25,000 so we're way below that threshold. 

That looks like 125% of fire department occupancy.

Also, no masks? Isn't that a 770 policy anyway?

[Jerseysteve]

https://collive.com/coronavirus-update-42-time-to-restart-porch-minyanim-due-to-multiple-new-covid-cases/

[ExGingi]

https://collive.com/coronavirus-update-42-time-to-restart-porch-minyanim-due-to-multiple-new-covid-cases/

1. Seems to be a repost.
2. Better to post direct Gedalia Society blog links rather than commercial websites.

[aygart]

Compliance includes banning anyone who hasn't recovered from COVID-19 from coming.

All rules are fine as long as they don't apply to you?

[ExGingi]

All rules are fine as long as they don't apply to you?

All sensible rules should apply uniformly.

[Therebbesbocher]

OT zal shut down with covid
According to whatsapp

[Lurker]

2. Better to post direct Gedalia Society blog links rather than commercial websites.

Puh-leaze. You don't want links posted to banned websites. Banned by the Rabbonim. The Rabbonim who said to wear masks.

All rules are fine as long as they don't apply to you?