Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab

[Dan]

1) they are the reason all those positives from 770 and OT were immediately quarantined before Tishrei, stopping potential spread.
2) many, many higher risk people took their warnings seriously and took extra precautions.

The problems with warnings and precautions actually working is that you have nothing to point to in order to say, "This worked." You can't prove something that didn't happen.

Amazing that people don't get this. No matter what happens it's a lose-lose in their eyes.

[neveryou]

1) they are the reason all those positives from 770 and OT were immediately quarantined before Tishrei, stopping potential spread.
2) many, many higher risk people took their warnings seriously and took extra precautions.

The problems with warnings and precautions actually working is that you have nothing to point to in order to say, "This worked." You can't prove something that didn't happen.

1. Ot had no bubble, before rosh hashana plenty of bochrim left the bubble, (I have a relative in ot zal)

2. There was plenty of old people in 770

[Lurker]

1. Ot had no bubble, before rosh hashana plenty of bochrim left the bubble, (I have a relative in ot zal)

2. There was plenty of old people in 770

IOW, not everyone listened, so it's like it never happened.

Look, do what you're gonna do, but don't crap on people who selflessly give of the little spare time they have to keep people healthy and safe.

[Yehuda57]

This past week has been absolutely infuriating. The way some parents have gone absolutely insane with wild conspiracy theories to fight schools who are doing their darndest to stay open has been stupefying. People have lost their minds.

[gozalim]

This past week has been absolutely infuriating. The way some parents have gone absolutely insane with wild conspiracy theories to fight schools who are doing their darndest to stay open has been stupefying. People have lost their minds.

some of those loudest individuals had lost it a long time ago

[Yehuda57]

some of those loudest individuals had lost it a long time ago

Yes, but the amount of normal people who are going along with them is what changed.

[aygart]

1. Ot had no bubble, before rosh hashana plenty of bochrim left the bubble, (I have a relative in ot zal)

2. There was plenty of old people in 770

I don't know the facts on the ground in CH at all, but even if they weren't 100% effective it could have potentially made a tremendous difference.

[gozalim]

If the bubble went on for long enough to miss the contagion window, and/or the spaced out RH in 770 prevented the wildfire spread to those (20/30/50%) still vulnerable, then we may have בע"ה dodged this slice of the wave.

[Yehuda57]

I live in Crown Heights and work with people from Flatbush, Kensington, Midwood, Far Rockaway, Monsey, and Lakewood. This is obviously anecdotal, but Crown Heights seems to be more compliant in regard to quarantine and isolation. I haven't met or heard of anyone in CH in shul who was supposed to be quarantined or isolated, whereas someone came to the office after being heavily exposed and feeling symptoms (he was promptly sent home and tested positive, surprise surprise). And *everyone* out of CH has similar stories of people coming to shul, going to school and work even after testing positive.

All the precautions may work to varying extents, but staying isolated when you've tested positive and quarantining when you've been directly exposed are no brainers.

[gozalim]

how many people in CH do you know who tested positive period?

[aygart]

And *everyone* out of CH has similar stories of people coming to shul, going to school and work even after testing positive.

FTR I don't though I have heard some.

[Yehuda57]

how many people in CH do you know who tested positive period?

Good point. But I do know some who were exposed to people who tested positive out of ch and did quarantine.

[Yo ssi]

how many people in CH do you know who tested positive period?

Many more then those I know who didn't.

[dovy2]

In 770 there was first moitzei shabbos selichos, a week later the washing machines for Rosh Hashanah and Yom kippur, followed by dancing every night for a week straight, followed by 3 times hakofos which is approximately 15 hours of sweating together, dancing, drinking from the same cups, sharing the same bites of pickles, sharing the same bottles of water... of course no masks.. With the climax of 2k+ people jammed together for the farbrengen...

 that's with 2k+ of people from all over the world, plenty of them not yet exposed. Keep in mind, most people in crown heights got it over 6 months ago...

WhileI 'm not saying that all of this is normal behavior, the fact that this did not bring to hundreds of cases, the minimum this proves is that whoever had the virus once definitely does not need to be paranoid.

[neveryou]

In 770 there was first moitzei shabbos selichos, a week later the washing machines for Rosh Hashanah and Yom kippur, followed by dancing every night for a week straight, followed by 3 times hakofos which is approximately 15 hours of sweating together, dancing, drinking from the same cups, sharing the same bites of pickles, sharing the same bottles of water... of course no masks.. With the climax of 2k+ people jammed together for the farbrengen...

 that's with 2k+ of people from all over the world, plenty of them not yet exposed. Keep in mind, most people in crown heights got it over 6 months ago...

WhileI 'm not saying that all of this is normal behavior, the fact that this did not bring to hundreds of cases, the minimum this proves is that whoever had the virus once definitely does not need to be paranoid.

And people wonder why we don't listen to "science"

[zh cohen]

I live in Crown Heights and work with people from Flatbush, Kensington, Midwood, Far Rockaway, Monsey, and Lakewood. This is obviously anecdotal, but Crown Heights seems to be more compliant in regard to quarantine and isolation. I haven't met or heard of anyone in CH in shul who was supposed to be quarantined or isolated, whereas someone came to the office after being heavily exposed and feeling symptoms (he was promptly sent home and tested positive, surprise surprise). And *everyone* out of CH has similar stories of people coming to shul, going to school and work even after testing positive.

All the precautions may work to varying extents, but staying isolated when you've tested positive and quarantining when you've been directly exposed are no brainers.

There was a voice note from MK going around about someone who had symptoms and tested  before Yom Kippur (didn't get back his positive results until after) and still was chazzan in a CH shul.

[ExGingi]

This past week has been absolutely infuriating. The way some parents have gone absolutely insane with wild conspiracy theories to fight schools who are doing their darndest to stay open has been stupefying. People have lost their minds.

I know of one parent who took a public stance against the insane conspiracy theories. He put his name on a public letter that went around Crown Heights, though two websites published it without his name for some reason.

[Yehuda57]

I know of one parent who took a public stance against the insane conspiracy theories. He put his name on a public letter that went around Crown Heights, though two websites published it without his name for some reason.

I had a piece written in my head. If I felt it had a chance of making an impact I would have put it to paper

[Yehuda57]

There was a voice note from MK going around about someone who had symptoms and tested  before Yom Kippur (didn't get back his positive results until after) and still was chazzan in a CH shul.

True, forgot about that. I stand corrected. Covidiots everywhere!

[dovy2]

True, forgot about that. I stand corrected. Covidiots everywhere!

AND....?
With all these idiots around, still no cases! What does that tell you???
People have to just stop being paranoid!