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(Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« on: September 23, 2020, 05:33:12 PM »
PFAF, I can only share the details as he related them to me, that does not necessarily portray the facts.

He is flying almost weekly with air Canada the past few years.

He was on a flight with air Canada from TLV to Montreal with A stop in YYZ, the flight attendant was very rude and anti-Semitic at one point she told them something along the lines of "you f***ed up Jews", he them asked her for her ID number which she refused he took out his cell phone to snap a picture of her which enraged her, she told him I'll be filing a complaint with the airline and you'll be banned from ever flying air Canada again.

Lo and behold as he landed in YYZ he was denied boarding to Montreal, he was told that he'll get an official letter by mail (which he didn't yet)

Additionally they filed a complaint with transport Canada (see below) that he failed to comply with the mask rule after multiple warnings (according to him he wore his mask properly at all times)

Today he tried to board another air Canada flight and was denied so the ban is in effect.

What would be his course of action now?




He replied to transport Canada (below) they responded: Thank you for your reply.  Your submission will be given careful consideration.  Please note that this investigation does not in itself impact your ability to fly.  The decision to accept a passenger onboard is up to the individual air carrier.



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To whom this may concern,

Further to your correspondence regarding the non compliance report which was filed against me I would herby like to contest the allegations set forth.

First and foremost allow me to state that I "did" wear my non medical face mask at all times, and that there were no requests from any crew member for me to comply since I complied anyways, and I do have contact info from two passengers on the flight that can confirm the fact that my mask was worn appropriately at all times, it can also be verified if you have access to surveillance footage on board.

Allow me however to explain the nature of the complaint and why the crew member filed it.

Allow me to first apologize for what happened in my interactions with the crew member but it is crucial you understand that there was no violation of the mask order.

In short the crew member refused to treat me like the other and in addition she racistly stated "I was a f***ed up Jew" hearing that I demanded she give me her employee ID because I want to file a complaint with the airline, when she refused I retrieved my cellphone to take a picture of her, I'm not sure if I was allowed to that and I apologize if I wasn't, all I wanted to is have identification to file a complaint, subsequently she threatened to file a complaint and ban me from flying air Canada ever again.

This is a simple case of turning the tables and take revenge and avoid me filing a complaint against her.

I'll save the nitty gritty details for my complaint with air Canada however in short: I encountered a very strange attitude on the part of the crew members plane, which “was humiliating, disparaging and tainted with prominent, anti-Jewish signs". I felt attacked by the crew several times just for being a Jew because of my character.

Airline representatives informed me that their flight tickets back to Montreal would not be accessible to me. And that unfortunately I am no longer wanted on Air Canada flights. It was pure anti-Semitism with no justification, literally. "

• You have every right in the world to be afraid of a virus.
• You do not have the right to attack me if I follow the rules.
• You have every right to protect the team from bad people.
• Not every argument should automatically be deemed a "physical attack".
• Not every Jew, he is retarded.
• real eyes realize real lies.

I'm a regular traveler of over 15 years and I travel almost weekly for essential services serving as a rabbi overseeing kosher slaughter throughout the world and ensuring the Jewish population has a constant supply of meat and poultry meeting their strict dietary guidelines.

Married and the proud father of 7 children I have no criminal record, I do not smoke, no drugs or alcohol, in short A person involved in the daily life of the world.

It is my hope that Transport Canada will understand the situation and close this fictional complaint.

Please understand that your response is crucial as I'm scheduled to fly again on a kosher mission this afternoon.

Sincerely,
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 12:10:21 AM by AsherO »
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2020, 05:35:23 PM »
Go to the media. Next time, record.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2020, 05:50:05 PM »
Are there any witnesses that can coroborate his statement?

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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2020, 05:51:32 PM »
Are there any witnesses that can coroborate his statement?
so he says
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2020, 06:22:48 PM »
Needs to include them. Won't have much merit without.

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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2020, 06:24:07 PM »
so he says
Hope so! Otherwise. ..
Did he try writing to executive office?

I in the past I have had an anti semitic incident in YVR, they sub out security......

Jews living in Canada often complain about anti semitism. Some times, its the TOLERANT people [some]  that have no tolerance.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2020, 06:30:08 PM by KSMH »
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2020, 06:37:17 PM »
Did he try writing to executive office?
Not yet, where to and what should be the case?

Jews living in Canada often complain about anti semitism. Some times, its the TOLERANT people [some]  that have no tolerance.
Could be the case, however let's say he "annoyed" her so much or "made her crazy" to a point which she would blurt out "you f/u jews" after which he attempted to snap a photo of her (assuming nothing physical) does that warrant him being banned?
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2020, 06:42:45 PM »
Not yet, where to and what should be the case?
Could be the case, however let's say he "annoyed" her so much or "made her crazy" to a point which she would blurt out "you f/u jews" after which he attempted to snap a photo of her (assuming nothing physical) does that warrant him being banned?

Do some research who their executives are and try a few email combinations from a blank email untill you get one that doesn't bounce.

Point of email
1. Actual story
2. Witnesses
3. Good customer
4. Unfortunate event that should not happen again

To me it seems there is more to the story as they claim in the letter that LE was involved so there can be a report with details that might not necessarily be true but of which the airline can base their decision off.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2020, 06:45:51 PM »
To me it seems there is more to the story as they claim in the letter that LE was involved so there can be a report with details that might not necessarily be true but of which the airline can base their decision off.
There could be more details involved, what he told me is that there was another jew on the plane that was spit on by another (non-Jewish) passenger and that's why LE greeted them, he claims he just went straight out the plane and was not stopped by LE (still possible they we're there for him...)
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2020, 06:47:37 PM »
There could be more details involved, what he told me is that there was another jew on the plane that was spit on by another (non-Jewish) passenger and that's why LE greeted them, he claims he just went straight out the plane and was not stopped by LE (still possible they we're there for him...)
They can pull security footage easily and should/ve requested that the Canadian Authorities do so, as they state he was greeted by LE which he's now claiming is not true.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2020, 06:49:14 PM »
Do some research who their executives are and try a few email combinations from a blank email untill you get one that doesn't bounce.

Point of email
1. Actual story
2. Witnesses
3. Good customer
4. Unfortunate event that should not happen again

To me it seems there is more to the story as they claim in the letter that LE was involved so there can be a report with details that might not necessarily be true but of which the airline can base their decision off.
There has to be an element to this, that he's not looking to escalate this but to resolve it. The sooner its resolved the more likely he is not to escalate.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2020, 07:21:44 PM »
Isn't a ban on Covid related compliance temporary?
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2020, 02:25:10 PM »
Go to the media. Next time, record.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2020, 12:16:51 PM »
Update: I got the complete story out of the guy, and let me tell you AC has quite some points here...

Long story short he's banned for life...

Any course of action to help him?
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2020, 12:51:48 PM »
Update: I got the complete story out of the guy, and let me tell you AC has quite some points here...

Long story short he's banned for life...

Any course of action to help him?

Not sure what this means.

AC has some points? As in AC is actually in the right?

If so, not sure what action you're hoping for to help him.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2020, 12:53:17 PM »
Update: I got the complete story out of the guy, and let me tell you AC has quite some points here...

Long story short he's banned for life...

Any course of action to help him?
Please give the full story if you want help.
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2020, 12:56:52 PM »
Please give the full story if you want help.
please give the full story because i'm very curious

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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2020, 01:40:22 PM »
please give the full story because i'm very curious
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2020, 01:56:15 PM »
He blessed (Leshon Sagi Nahor) a FA
He provoked the FA or this was in response to her statements?
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Re: (Reverse) F/U with air Canada...
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2020, 01:57:34 PM »
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