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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #80 on: September 30, 2020, 08:26:30 PM »
During Tishrei I'm there daily for Mincha (not sure what the Chol Hamoed plan will be).

My office (where I need the wipes) is a short walk up Kingston Ave.
Just clorox or Amazon brand is also good?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #81 on: October 01, 2020, 06:39:13 AM »
תלמידי קרח were punished even though they followed ׳דעת תורה׳ of one of the נשיאים and leaders of the generation.

לא תסור מכל אשר יורוך refers to Sanhedrin of 70 sitting in לשכת הגזית.

Even an innocent baby during birth can be considered Rodef, so having been instructed by a Rabbi to do something has zero impact on wether or not one is a rodef.
Why don't you go around killing the rodfim?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #82 on: October 01, 2020, 10:57:43 AM »
Why don't you go around killing the rodfim?
Wouldn’t they have to be in the act?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #83 on: October 01, 2020, 11:35:01 AM »
Wouldn’t they have to be in the act?
They're walking around without masks, aren't they rodfim?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #84 on: October 01, 2020, 11:38:42 AM »
They're walking around without masks, aren't they rodfim?
They would probably be a safek Rodef, no?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #85 on: October 01, 2020, 11:49:46 AM »
They would probably be a safek Rodef, no?
Is that a real term?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #86 on: October 01, 2020, 12:57:58 PM »
Is that a real term?
I just made it up, but I mean it’s a safek if one is a rodef. Don’t think that qualifies as a real rodef. Perhaps if one is infected and entering indoor spaces without a mask?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #87 on: October 01, 2020, 01:15:52 PM »
I just made it up, but I mean it’s a safek if one is a rodef. Don’t think that qualifies as a real rodef. Perhaps if one is infected and entering indoor spaces without a mask?
You think an infected person without a mask is halachikly a rodef? You would be able to kill him?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #88 on: October 01, 2020, 01:17:48 PM »
You think an infected person without a mask is halachikly a rodef? You would be able to kill him?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #89 on: October 01, 2020, 01:34:54 PM »
You think an infected person without a mask is halachikly a rodef? You would be able to kill him?
Perhaps simple mesira would suffice?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #90 on: October 01, 2020, 01:40:01 PM »
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #91 on: October 01, 2020, 01:53:54 PM »
Perhaps simple mesira would suffice?
Which then means we can kill the moiser. Either way someone dies in your story.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #92 on: October 01, 2020, 01:59:18 PM »
Either way someone dies without your story.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #93 on: October 01, 2020, 02:01:48 PM »
Which then means we can kill the moiser.
No such thing Bzman Hazeh
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2020, 02:04:20 PM »
No such thing Bzman Hazeh

As opposed to killing a rodef? This whole thing back and forth makes no sense.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2020, 02:05:04 PM »
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #96 on: October 01, 2020, 02:06:41 PM »
As opposed to killing a rodef? This whole thing back and forth makes no sense.
Killing a Rodef applies now like it applies when the torah was given.
Killing a Moiser applied at a time when governments authorities were likely to unjustly kill suspected criminals. The Shu"a paskens it doesn't apply nowadays.

OTOH RMF allowed sacrificing the life of a Siamese twin M'din Rodef.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2020, 02:11:28 PM »
Killing a Rodef applies now like it applies when the torah was given.
Killing a Moiser applied at a time when governments authorities were likely to unjustly kill suspected criminals. The Shu"a paskens it doesn't apply nowadays.

OTOH RMF allowed sacrificing the life of a Siamese twin M'din Rodef.
As well as abortion when the mother’s life is in severe danger
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #98 on: October 01, 2020, 02:21:04 PM »
Killing a Rodef applies now like it applies when the torah was given.
Killing a Moiser applied at a time when governments authorities were likely to unjustly kill suspected criminals. The Shu"a paskens it doesn't apply nowadays.

OTOH RMF allowed sacrificing the life of a Siamese twin M'din Rodef.
As well as abortion when the mother’s life is in severe danger

Using the din of rodef to decide whether to do a medical procedure and killing a rodef on the street are not the same things, in my uneducated opinion. Regardless, no one is killing anyone, except Grandma. Move on.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #99 on: October 01, 2020, 02:27:06 PM »
Using the din of rodef to decide whether to do a medical procedure and killing a rodef on the street are not the same things, in my uneducated opinion. Regardless, no one is killing anyone, except Grandma. Move on.
The point of this was to show we shouldn't be calling people walking around without masks rodfim.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.