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Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« on: September 25, 2020, 08:40:13 AM »
The second wave is no longer a theory. Europe is seeing record cases, and the frum communities of NY and NJ are being touched in ways many didn't think possible even a month ago. This post isn't a post-mortem on how we got here, and it's not a mussar shmooze on what we could be doing better now to slow the spread. This post is about the future.

Regardless of our personal feelings, the reality is that governments will impose lockdowns in the coming months. We saw crazy numbers over the summer coming out of FL, TX, and CA, with weeks of over 10k new cases per day in each of those states. The reasons vary, from additional testing to younger patients, but the reactions are inevitably the same: closures and lockdowns. They may work, or they may not. They may be misused and abused. They may not be followed by the general public. But they are coming, because it is the only tool that we have to prevent hospitals from overloading during a surge in cases. Given what we saw over the summer, and given what we're seeing in Europe (and our communities here) right now, a surge is coming, and lockdowns right along with it.

We were all impacted in previously unimaginable ways during the early months of the pandemic. Aside from the illness itself, we were blindsided by the closures of shuls, schools, and businesses. Without getting into the messy details, suffice to say the damage to our families, our finances, and our infrastructure are still being felt today. Again, this post isn't intended to be a post-mortem.

Chochom einov b'roishoi: we need to look to our future pragmatically. We have the gift of having a pretty good idea of what's headed our way, and we have the benefit of having experienced it in the recent past to help us prepare for it. Whether it's preparing your family or business for possible upcoming shortages, or working with your schools and shuls to create resources that were sorely needed in March and April, the time to act is now. With preparation, we can help mitigate the challenges ahead, and maybe even create some opportunities for our communities and businesses to grow.

I don't have a lot of answers, or even a lot of ideas. I just hope this post sparks positive, proactive conversations that benefit us all.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2020, 08:52:42 AM »
People need to give themselves permission to reevaluate the situation no matter how firmly they may have dug their heels in.

If your closely held beliefs are out of touch with reality and if hearing anything to the contrary makes you mad and causes you to become overly defensive and aggressive about your position, take a deep calming breath and allow new information to enter your brain. Nobody will judge you for changing your mind due to changing circumstances.

If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2020, 09:04:42 AM »
The second wave is no longer a theory. Europe is seeing record cases, and the frum communities of NY and NJ are being touched in ways many didn't think possible even a month ago. This post isn't a post-mortem on how we got here, and it's not a mussar shmooze on what we could be doing better now to slow the spread. This post is about the future.

Regardless of our personal feelings, the reality is that governments will impose lockdowns in the coming months. We saw crazy numbers over the summer coming out of FL, TX, and CA, with weeks of over 10k new cases per day in each of those states. The reasons vary, from additional testing to younger patients, but the reactions are inevitably the same: closures and lockdowns. They may work, or they may not. They may be misused and abused. They may not be followed by the general public. But they are coming, because it is the only tool that we have to prevent hospitals from overloading during a surge in cases. Given what we saw over the summer, and given what we're seeing in Europe (and our communities here) right now, a surge is coming, and lockdowns right along with it.

We were all impacted in previously unimaginable ways during the early months of the pandemic. Aside from the illness itself, we were blindsided by the closures of shuls, schools, and businesses. Without getting into the messy details, suffice to say the damage to our families, our finances, and our infrastructure are still being felt today. Again, this post isn't intended to be a post-mortem.

Chochom einov b'roishoi: we need to look to our future pragmatically. We have the gift of having a pretty good idea of what's headed our way, and we have the benefit of having experienced it in the recent past to help us prepare for it. Whether it's preparing your family or business for possible upcoming shortages, or working with your schools and shuls to create resources that were sorely needed in March and April, the time to act is now. With preparation, we can help mitigate the challenges ahead, and maybe even create some opportunities for our communities and businesses to grow.

I don't have a lot of answers, or even a lot of ideas. I just hope this post sparks positive, proactive conversations that benefit us all.
Not a chance that things will lockdown like March and April. There is no appetite among the general population. Ditto for major shortages. (There’s actually a flood of meat and other staples on the non kosher market and prices have plummeted.) We do need to plan for the possibility of remote schooling and shul restrictions coming our way. A call in phone system for 2 hours a day does not cut it.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2020, 09:07:59 AM »
Perhaps this time around I should improve my faith in Hashem
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2020, 09:17:20 AM »
Perhaps this time around have same faith in Hashem

Faith that what?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2020, 09:32:56 AM »
Nothing to complex, just back to the basics :)
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1405289/jewish/Bitachon.htm

Ahh my mistake. I read your post as saying to have sOme bitachon as if that has relation to whether people should plan for something obviously coming. Now I see that you wrote that we should have sAme bitachon which we most definitely should do. We should continue to have the same bitachon as we take measure to plan in advance.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2020, 09:36:13 AM »
We should continue to have the same improve our bitachon as we take measure to plan in advance.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2020, 09:55:42 AM »
Not a chance that things will lockdown like March and April.
Ditto for major shortages.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2020, 10:05:02 AM »
People need to give themselves permission to reevaluate the situation no matter how firmly they may have dug their heels in.

If your closely held beliefs are out of touch with reality and if hearing anything to the contrary makes you mad and causes you to become overly defensive and aggressive about your position, take a deep calming breath and allow new information to enter your brain. Nobody will judge you for changing your mind due to changing circumstances.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2020, 10:19:49 AM »
LOL
So you think we are going to be sitting at home with the playgrounds closed looking up the 5 alternatives to toilet paper on the woodsmans websites while pushing redial on the phone to try to get through for a delivery slot a week out at the local kosher supermarket? LOL

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2020, 10:20:31 AM »
So you think we are going to be sitting at home with the playgrounds closed looking up the 5 alternatives to toilet paper on the woodsmans websites while pushing redial on the phone to try to get through for a delivery slot a week out at the local kosher supermarket? LOL
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/25/tesco-imposes-limits-curb-panic-buying/amp/

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2020, 10:24:28 AM »
So you think we are going to be sitting at home with the playgrounds closed looking up the 5 alternatives to toilet paper on the woodsmans websites while pushing redial on the phone to try to get through for a delivery slot a week out at the local kosher supermarket? LOL
Just to get a handle on your (and to be fair, anyone’s) predictive abilities: Did you see the first lockdown coming as little as 2 weeks in advance, and the extent? Did you see this second outbreak coming as little as 2 weeks ago?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2020, 10:25:53 AM »
Just to get a handle on your (and to be fair, anyone’s) predictive abilities: Did you see the first lockdown coming as little as 2 weeks in advance, and the extent? Did you see this second outbreak coming as little as 2 weeks ago?
No. Yes.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2020, 10:26:16 AM »
So you think we are going to be sitting at home with the playgrounds closed looking up the 5 alternatives to toilet paper on the woodsmans websites while pushing redial on the phone to try to get through for a delivery slot a week out at the local kosher supermarket? LOL

Shortages are still happening as a result of the first wave. To say it's impossible that they'll happen again is incredibly shortsighted. The closures may not be as extreme as April, but that doesn't mean they won't be immensely disruptive, especially in the areas that matter most to us.
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